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| DATE | 2017-04-07 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] free desktop SUCKS
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On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:47:18PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
>
> > How do I remove polkit. All I want at this point is the SIMPLIST thing,
> > X11 and wmaker
>
> PolKit is indeed one of a bunch of problematic pieces of 'desktop
> computing' infrastructure pieces from the Freedesktop.org group of
> coders. Other pieces from that group: D-Bus, upower, udisks2,
> packagekit, udev, systemd. I regard all of those as undesirable, even
> udev.
>
> These pieces are IMO characterised by:
>
> 1. A tendency towards being involved in irritating dependency hairballs
> 2. Being frequently EOLed and rewritten from scratch.
> 3. Underdocumented and ever-changing interfaces to other software.
>
> > artooManjaro Team
> > 13m
> >
> > You achieve that best with a source distro, such as gentoo.
>
> This is true in the sense that you are _best_ in a position to edit and
> control dependencies at build time. However, that is a lazy answer,
> basically a polite way of blowing you off and advising you to go
> elsewhere.
>
That might be true but FWIW, you are talking about one of the best
package builders in the Free Software World...
Look him up if you doubt me.
> On Debian 8 and 9, I've done an experiment in what's required to do
> entirely without the systemd package. Ultimately, especially for server
> computing, I want to reach the point where I've gotten rid of all of the
> Freedesktop.org CADT-ware. My experiment -- a quite successful one --
> is documented here:
>
> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html
>
I'll look at this but two things need to be notes:
First, this is for my workstation not a server.
Secondly, and this is a huge problem historically - Debians desktops
tend to be more broken than anyone elses. I get so fustrated with
Debian's desktop software.... they just drive me crazy.
I'll probably look at Gentoo, but I like the Arch packaging system, and
truthfully, the Manjaro guys are in a good mindspace. They build a lot
of packages from source, and are up to date on the source releases, and
cater to newbies while not sacrficing the commandline user.
I like them. They are approachable and have long fuses when it comes
to dealing with folks.
>
> artooManjaro Team wrote:
>
> > The binary packages more or less require polkit, if you want it out you
> > likely have to recompile some packages without polkit support.
>
> And that is somewhat less-lazy answer: Recompile specific Majaro
> packages, making local packages that omit the irritating and basically
> pointless dependency on PolKit.
>
> My http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html page mentions
> in passing other approaches tailored for the Debian ecosphere, such as
> reliance on third-party deb repositories.
>
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