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| DATE | 2017-01-30 |
| FROM | Rick Moen
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ?
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Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
> I never said that, and this is just another mindless rant. I said they
> are muslim brotherhood. I couldn't care less if they are criminalor
> not.
So, now you _don't_ think they're a criminal organization? Then, what
the Gehenna was all of that blustering about, including your reciting of
that pathetic 2007 claim by some prosecutor who'd rather issue innuendo
press releases than do his/her job? What exactly was your point about
CAIR? Simply that you don't _like_ them?
If you have evidence of criminal acts, cough it up and show it to
prosecutors. If you don't, fuck off, Friend Citizen, and have a nice day.
> And so you continue to rant. Today it is a core constitutional
> principle that foreigners have to be allowed in the country
For starters and most important, equal protection of the laws is a
Constitutional right of all _persons_ who have come under the
jurisdiction of United States law. It's called the Fourteenth
Amendment. I'm guessing you've never heard of that part of the
Constitution, either, given our having established already that you
don't give a damn about the First or Tenth Amendments. Here, let me
quote it to you:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty,
or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within
its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It's established law, buckaroo. For over a hundred years.
http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub
Example quotation (and see Prof. Cole's article for the full citations
supporting this):
While some distinctions between foreign nationals and citizens are
normatively justified and con- sistent with constitutional and
international law, most are not. The significance of the
citizen/noncitizen distinction is more often presumed than carefully
examined. Upon examination, there is far less to the distinction than
commonly thought. In particular, foreign nationals are generally
entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of
speech and associ- ation, and to due process requirements of fair
procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake.
All of the five lawsuits filed over the weekend, all five of which were
granted temporary injunctions because the judge ruled it highly likely
that plaintiff would prevail, were based on 14th Amendment equal
protection concerns.
Also:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in
cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in
actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
without just compensation.
The US Supreme Court has held, time and time again, that the First and
Fifth Amendments guarantee rights to all _persons_, because it says
_persons_.
I'm not even the tiniest bit surprised that you don't know this.
However, Ruben, a word of advice: Learn some civics before you try to
argue the Constitution with me. This wasn't even difficult.
> and you wonder how Trump got elected? There it is.
You mean, by people who don't believe in the Constitution? No, I don't
believe that. Most of that 27.2% of the voter base merely got conned.
But there are always people like you, feeling obliged to justify the
con artist; Stockholm Syndrome at work.
>
> > on Wikipedia:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States
>
> right wikipediea is a good source
Are you going to tell me that figures taken directly from the
Congressional Budget Office are wrong? Pray tell, why is that, sir?
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opinion/krugman-nobody-understands-debt.html?_r=1&ref=paulkrugman
> >
>
> Really? Krugman?
If you're able to refute what he said, there, I'm listening. All you've
been able to do so far is raise lousy irrelevant objections and jam your
fingers into your ears and say 'la-la-lal-la.'
But, let's face it, you're as totally illiterate in economics as you are
in civics.
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