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DATE 2017-01-24
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children
Blame it on the Bag Laws
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/us/san-francisco-children.html



San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children Gone?

By THOMAS FULLERJAN. 21, 2017
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Slin Lee and Daisy Yeung in their apartment in San Francisco. “When we
imagine having kids, we think of somewhere else,” Mr. Lee said. Credit
Jim Wilson/The New York Times

SAN FRANCISCO — In a compact studio apartment on the fringes of the
Castro district here a young couple live with their demanding
7-year-old, whom they dote on and take everywhere: a Scottish terrier
named Olive.

Raising children is on the agenda for Daisy Yeung, a high school science
teacher, and Slin Lee, a software engineer. But just not in San Francisco.

“When we imagine having kids, we think of somewhere else,” Mr. Lee said.
“It’s starting to feel like a no-kids type of city.”

A few generations ago, before the technology boom transformed San
Francisco and sent housing costs soaring, the city was alive with
children and families. Today it has the lowest percentage of children of
any of the largest 100 cities in America, according to census data,
causing some here to raise an alarm.
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“Everybody talks about children being our future,” said Norman Yee, a
member of San Francisco’s Board of Supervisors. “If you have no children
around, what’s our future?”

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As an urban renaissance has swept through major American cities in
recent decades, San Francisco’s population has risen to historical highs
and a forest of skyscraping condominiums has replaced tumbledown
warehouses and abandoned wharves. At the same time, the share of
children in San Francisco fell to 13 percent, low even compared with
another expensive city, New York, with 21 percent. In Chicago, 23
percent of the population is under 18 years old, which is also the
overall average across the United States.

California, which has one of the world’s 10 largest economies, recently
released data showing the lowest birthrate since the Great Depression.

As San Francisco moves toward a one-industry town with soaring costs,
the dearth of children is one more change that raises questions about
its character. Are fewer children making San Francisco more
one-dimensional and less vibrant? The answer is subjective and part of
an impassioned debate over whether a new, wealthier San Francisco can
retain the allure of the city it is replacing.

Many immigrant and other residential areas of San Francisco still have
their share of the very young and the very old. The sidewalks of some
wealthy enclaves even have stroller gridlock on weekends. But when you
walk through the growing number of neighborhoods where employees of
Google, Twitter and so many other technology companies live or work, the
sidewalks display a narrow band of humanity, as if life started at 22
and ended somewhere around 40.

“Sometimes I’ll be walking through the city and I’ll see a child and
think, ‘Hey, wait a second. What are you doing here?’” said Courtney
Nam, who works downtown at a tech start-up. “You don’t really see that
many kids.”

There is one statistic that the city’s natives have heard too many
times. San Francisco, population 865,000, has roughly the same number of
dogs as children: 120,000. In many areas of the city, pet grooming shops
seem more common than schools.

In an interview last year, Peter Thiel, the billionaire Silicon Valley
investor and a co-founder of PayPal, described San Francisco as
“structurally hostile to families.”

Prohibitive housing costs are not the only reason there are relatively
few children. A public school system of uneven quality, the
attractiveness of the less-foggy suburbs to families, and the large
number of gay men and women, many of them childless, have all played
roles in the decline in the number of children, which began with white
flight from the city in the 1970s. The tech boom now reinforces the
notion that San Francisco is a place for the young, single and rich.

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“If you get to the age that you’re going to have kids in San Francisco
and you haven’t made your million — or more — you probably begin to
think you have to leave,” said Richard Florida, an expert in urban
demographics and author of “The Rise of the Creative Class.”

Mr. Florida sees a larger national trend. Jobs in America have become
more specialized and the country’s demography has become more segmented,
he says. Technology workers who move to San Francisco and Silicon Valley
anticipate long hours and know they may have to put off having families.

“It’s a statement on our age that in order to make it in our more
advanced, best and most-skilled industries you really have to
sacrifice,” Mr. Florida said. “And the sacrifice may be your family.”

In 1970, a quarter of San Francisco’s residents were children, nearly
twice the level of today. The overall demographic picture of San
Francisco is a city with more men than women — 103 for every 100 women —
and with no ethnic majority. Whites make up slightly less than half the
population, Asians about one-third and Latinos 15 percent. The black
population has markedly declined and stands around 6 percent.

A report released on Tuesday by the San Francisco Planning Department
said the building boom in the city, which for the most part has
introduced more studios and one-bedroom apartments, was unlikely to
bring in more families. For every 100 apartments in the city sold at
market rates, the San Francisco school district expects to enroll only
one additional student, the report said.

Mr. Yee, the supervisor, is urging his colleagues to hold hearings next
month on the issue of children.

“For me it’s part of the fabric of what a city should have,” he said.
“It makes us all care more.”

A few recent initiatives have sought to make the city friendlier to
families. San Francisco is the first city in the United States to
require employers to offer six weeks of fully paid leave for new
parents, a law that came into effect this month.

The city has also invested millions in upgrading parks, according to
Phil Ginsburg, the general manager of the city’s Recreation and Parks
Department.

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“We are trying to do our part to send a very strong message that San
Francisco is an awesome place for kids,” Mr. Ginsburg said. The city has
increased its offerings for summer programs, many of which were fully
enrolled last summer.

Yet even those with the means to stay find themselves looking elsewhere
when children come along.
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Liz Devlin with her children, Ella and Jack. She said San Francisco was
a “phenomenal place to raise kids” but is considering a move because of
schools and the cost of living. Credit Jim Wilson/The New York Times

Liz Devlin, a senior manager at Twitter, which like other technology
companies offers generous parental leave, took 20 weeks off at full pay
when her second child, Jack, was born in 2014.

Living in a three-bedroom apartment in the Marina district, Ms. Devlin
said, she considered San Francisco a “phenomenal place to raise kids.”

But last July when the energetic Jack turned 2, she and her husband
decided it was time to leave.

“In terms of cost of living, space and schools I think it’s definitely
attractive for people to look outside the city,” said Ms. Devlin, who
moved across the Golden Gate Bridge to Marin County.

Those who make it work in San Francisco speak of the compromises.

Jean Covington, a San Francisco resident who works as a public defender
in Contra Costa County, said she noticed a “pilgrimage” of her friends
out of the city when children reached school age. When she decided to
stick it out, she was confronted with what she described as a
bewildering public school selection system governed by an algorithm that
determines where children in the city are placed — sometimes miles from
home.

When her daughter turned 5, Ms. Covington applied to 14 public
kindergartens, but her child ended up being placed in another. She chose
a private school instead, along with the strain on the family budget
that it entailed.

“Everyone starts off with the same dreams: ‘I’m going to make it work in
the city, and I’m going to be the family that sticks it out,’” Ms.
Covington said of her friends. “And suddenly the one bathroom in their
flat becomes two or three too few. And the school system is too daunting.”

San Francisco’s public school system has around 53,000 students, a sharp
drop from 90,000 in 1970.

The decline is a reflection both of families leaving the city and
wealthier parents sending their children to private schools. Around 30
percent of San Francisco children attend private school, the highest
rate among large American cities.

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More than 10 private schools have opened in San Francisco since 2009,
according to a tally by Elizabeth Weise, a journalist who writes a blog
on the subject.

Opinion is divided on whether having fewer children in the city is
something San Francisco should worry about.

Mr. Florida, the expert in urban demographics, said a lack of children
made a city “a little bit more of a colder or harder place.”

Mr. Lee, the software engineer, said he loved San Francisco — the
weather, the food, the friends he has made. But the city, he said, feels
somewhat detached from the life cycle.

“It’s similar to when you go to college and you are surrounded by people
who are in the same life stage or who have the same attitude about what
their priorities are,” Mr. Lee said. “That’s all you see: people who are
exactly like you.”

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A1 of the New York edition with the headline: San Francisco Is Asking,
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  75. 2017-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Follow up conversation
  76. 2017-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the week
  77. 2017-01-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the week
  78. 2017-01-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Alumni Publications
  79. 2017-01-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Word of the Year for 2016
  80. 2017-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Nice project to learn from
  81. 2017-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The Snoden Affair
  82. 2017-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  83. 2017-01-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  84. 2017-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  85. 2017-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  86. 2017-01-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rick Moen in Amsterdam
  87. 2017-01-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  88. 2017-01-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  89. 2017-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  90. 2017-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  91. 2017-01-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The Snoden Affair
  92. 2017-01-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Need a loan
  93. 2017-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Loan
  94. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] good news
  95. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  96. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  97. 2017-01-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  98. 2017-01-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  99. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  100. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  101. 2017-01-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
  102. 2017-01-23 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] What Japan SHOULD have done !
  103. 2017-01-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What Japan SHOULD have done !
  104. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] anyone understand this - ME
  105. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Grub on libreboot
  106. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] compiler job
  107. 2017-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Marching against Trump
  108. 2017-01-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Amazing Photographic history of Hell
  109. 2017-01-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children
  110. 2017-01-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) [skeptic] Coming soon to YOUR country's
  111. 2017-01-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: NYC TechBreakfast 1/26 -at-LIUBK Pratt 110
  112. 2017-01-25 From: "SUSE" <news-at-suse.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] SUSE Acquires Talent and Technology Assets from HPE
  113. 2017-01-24 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  114. 2017-01-24 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Call For Papers - 39th Annual International
  115. 2017-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] R Programming Workshop
  116. 2017-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines
  117. 2017-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MTM
  118. 2017-01-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MTM
  119. 2017-01-25 ruth02-at-web.de Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Are you not the one that said: ....."the next
  120. 2017-01-25 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rick Moen in Amsterdam: is this foto of famous
  121. 2017-01-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines
  122. 2017-01-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rick Moen in Amsterdam: is this foto of famous
  123. 2017-01-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Are you not the one arguing against yourself? (was:
  124. 2017-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] FYI Mountain Fruit has 3 lbs of apples for $0.99
  125. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines II
  126. 2017-01-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines II
  127. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines II
  128. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] good video
  129. 2017-01-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines II
  130. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Microsoft Linux is finally here
  131. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Installfest at LIU Brooklyn
  132. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] intro to docker
  133. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] coreboot and payloads
  134. 2017-01-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] coreboot and payloads
  135. 2017-01-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines II
  136. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MTM
  137. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] coreboot and payloads
  138. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] librepalnet
  139. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] librepalnet
  140. 2017-01-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] coreboot and payloads
  141. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] coreboot and payloads
  142. 2017-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines III
  143. 2017-01-27 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines III
  144. 2017-01-27 From: <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] sooo smart
  145. 2017-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The future of the world....plastic
  146. 2017-01-27 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) [skeptic] Alex Jones says Infowars has been
  147. 2017-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) [skeptic] Alex Jones says Infowars has
  148. 2017-01-27 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) [skeptic] Alex Jones says Infowars has
  149. 2017-01-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Holo-who?
  150. 2017-01-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  151. 2017-01-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  152. 2017-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  153. 2017-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  154. 2017-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  155. 2017-01-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  156. 2017-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] want to see STUPID - Daniel Benjamin
  157. 2017-01-29 From: <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] want to see STUPID - Daniel Benjamin
  158. 2017-01-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  159. 2017-01-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  160. 2017-01-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  161. 2017-01-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  162. 2017-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  163. 2017-01-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines IV
  164. 2017-01-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  165. 2017-01-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Holo-who?
  166. 2017-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  167. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  168. 2017-01-29 Glenn Randers-Pehrson <glennrp-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] Upcoming PNG chunk voting
  169. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  170. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Holo-who?
  171. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  172. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Backups to external media
  173. 2017-01-30 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news,
  174. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] R Programming Workshop
  175. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Installfest for Lunch
  176. 2017-01-30 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <mat-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MAT Application Deadline Extended
  177. 2017-01-30 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #288 - Grants committee looking for
  178. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] 7 Awesome Open Source Web Performance Software For
  179. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Beer and social meeting
  180. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  181. 2017-01-30 From: "Rijksmuseum" <rijksstudio-at-news.rijksmuseum.nl> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Winter Wonderland in Rijksstudio
  182. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  183. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  184. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  185. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  186. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news,
  187. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  188. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  189. 2017-01-30 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ? Worry
  190. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ?
  191. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  192. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  193. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ?
  194. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ?
  195. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ?
  196. 2017-01-30 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] #'s I, V and XIV,
  197. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] #'s I, V and XIV,
  198. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] #'s I, V and XIV,
  199. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ?
  200. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] #'s I, V and XIV,
  201. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ?
  202. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] continued noise
  203. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] country being deliberately monkeywrenched ?
  204. 2017-01-30 Center for Entrepreneurship and Innovation Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Kickoff_for_LIU-Brooklyn=E2=80=99s_Regi?=
  205. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [communications-at-pharmacistelink.com: Walgreens
  206. 2017-01-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  207. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines V
  208. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] H1B visas are BULLSHIT
  209. 2017-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  210. 2017-01-30 From: =?utf-8?Q?Brooklyn=20Museum?= <brooklynvisitor-at-brooklynmuseum.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Target_First_Saturday=3A_Free_Night_at_?=
  211. 2017-01-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  212. 2017-01-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) Re: #'s I, V and XIV,
  213. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] CAIR roots - National Review
  214. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] cpu limits
  215. 2017-01-31 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) Re: #'s I, V and XIV
  216. 2017-01-31 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [dinosaur] Collagen preserved in Early
  217. 2017-01-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) Re: #'s I, V and XIV
  218. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  219. 2017-01-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  220. 2017-01-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Are you not the one arguing against yourself?
  221. 2017-01-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) Re: [skeptic] Let the beheadings commence!
  222. 2017-01-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news headlines III
  223. 2017-01-30 Glenn Randers-Pehrson <glennrp-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] CFV: PNG Registration 2017-0125
  224. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) Re: [skeptic] Let the beheadings
  225. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] In other news, making America safe again
  226. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Check this out
  227. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) Re: #'s I, V and XIV
  228. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ruben's "really" important news VI
  229. 2017-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [isoc-ny] FCC Seeks Diverse Stakeholders for
  230. 2017-01-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Let's take a vote on non free speech software

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