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| DATE | 2016-12-19 |
| FROM | mayer ilovitz
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
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I have not been following the development of SystemD, and so may be
completely wrong, but from what little I've read, I get the impression
it was developed (and adopted) by people who came over from the MS-type
world and were new/unfamiliar to the UNIX traditions and there were
insufficient people to stand against it.
Mancini, Sabin (DFS) wrote:
> Thank you Mayer, and that is very interesting- I completely agree and do not want to see Linux distros begin to follow Bill G's philosophy.
>
> But why are they doing this ? ( getting away from the classic Unix principles in favor of the opposite ).
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> From: hangout [mailto:hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com] On Behalf Of mayer ilovitz
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> Subject: Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the issue is with SystemD. Mayer, I am using Mint 17.3, what is it using in contrast to system D ?
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> I'm still at 17.1 and probably going to update to 17.3 (which I presume
> is still largely init-based) in the next few weeks pending a decision to
> change to a completely different distro.
>
> Others can better explain all the issues with SystemD. SystemD violates
> all the classic UNIX principles (programs should be (relatively) small,
> independent, & straightforward in function; use PLAIN TEXT log & control
> files for easy maintenqnce & diagnostics). SystemD follows the Microsoft
> philosophy of giant, interlocked monolithic systems that need other
> programs to even look at the logs (ex: event manager) or make
> configuration changes. In an earlier response today, Ruben pointed out
> just how easy it can be to lock up (& likely corrupt) a SystemD-based
> linux box.
>
> Mancini, Sabin (DFS) wrote:
>> Please explain what the issue is with SystemD. Mayer, I am using Mint 17.3, what is it using in contrast to system D ?
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>> From: hangout [mailto:hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com] On Behalf Of mayer ilovitz
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:32 AM
>> To: NYLXS Discussions List
>> Subject: Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
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>> So, the real question & discussion topic is what distros (or at least
>> versions of distros) have NOT gone over to the Dark Side of Init Systems
>> ? I've been running Mint for years (still on 17.1) and trying to
>> figure what to upgrade to as I've heard 18.x is now fully SystemD'd :-(
>>
>> Rick Moen wrote:
>>> Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
>>>
>>>> http://nixos.org/nixos/download.html#
>>>> Different init manager and functional programming design
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>> "NixOS is now using systemd by default....'
>>>
>>> https://nixos.org/wiki/NixOS:extend_NixOS
>>>
>>>
>>> Also in
>>> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/doc/manual/administration/service-mgmt.xml:
>>>
>>> Service Management:
>>>
>>> In NixOS, all system services are started and monitored using
>>> the systemd program. Systemd is the "init" process of the system
>>> (i.e. PID 1), the parent of all other processes.
>>>
>>> Nice use of unit testing, configuration management, and other DevOps
>>> methods, though.
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