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| DATE | 2016-12-19 |
| FROM | From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
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Thank you Mayer, and that is very interesting- I completely agree and do not want to see Linux distros begin to follow Bill G's philosophy.
But why are they doing this ? ( getting away from the classic Unix principles in favor of the opposite ).
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From: hangout [mailto:hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com] On Behalf Of mayer ilovitz
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the issue is with SystemD. Mayer, I am using Mint 17.3, what is it using in contrast to system D ?
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I'm still at 17.1 and probably going to update to 17.3 (which I presume
is still largely init-based) in the next few weeks pending a decision to
change to a completely different distro.
Others can better explain all the issues with SystemD. SystemD violates
all the classic UNIX principles (programs should be (relatively) small,
independent, & straightforward in function; use PLAIN TEXT log & control
files for easy maintenqnce & diagnostics). SystemD follows the Microsoft
philosophy of giant, interlocked monolithic systems that need other
programs to even look at the logs (ex: event manager) or make
configuration changes. In an earlier response today, Ruben pointed out
just how easy it can be to lock up (& likely corrupt) a SystemD-based
linux box.
Mancini, Sabin (DFS) wrote:
> Please explain what the issue is with SystemD. Mayer, I am using Mint 17.3, what is it using in contrast to system D ?
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> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:32 AM
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> So, the real question & discussion topic is what distros (or at least
> versions of distros) have NOT gone over to the Dark Side of Init Systems
> ? I've been running Mint for years (still on 17.1) and trying to
> figure what to upgrade to as I've heard 18.x is now fully SystemD'd :-(
>
> Rick Moen wrote:
>> Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
>>
>>> http://nixos.org/nixos/download.html#
>>> Different init manager and functional programming design
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> "NixOS is now using systemd by default....'
>>
>> https://nixos.org/wiki/NixOS:extend_NixOS
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>>
>> Also in
>> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/doc/manual/administration/service-mgmt.xml:
>>
>> Service Management:
>>
>> In NixOS, all system services are started and monitored using
>> the systemd program. Systemd is the "init" process of the system
>> (i.e. PID 1), the parent of all other processes.
>>
>> Nice use of unit testing, configuration management, and other DevOps
>> methods, though.
>>
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