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| DATE | 2016-12-19 |
| FROM | Rick Moen
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
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Quoting mayer ilovitz (pmamayeri-at-gmail.com):
> So, the real question & discussion topic is what distros (or at
> least versions of distros) have NOT gone over to the Dark Side of
> Init Systems ? I've been running Mint for years (still on 17.1) and
> trying to
> figure what to upgrade to as I've heard 18.x is now fully SystemD'd :-(
The real answer to that is actually a little subtle. The list starts
with distros, and variant installations of distros, that default to
(and continue to use over time) one or more non-syatem init system.
A decent list of those is here:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions
Note that the list includes (as I suggested) _variant_ entries such as
"Arch OpenRC", a totally stable and robust variant strain of Arch Linux
despite the fact that Arch Linux as a whole hews to a strict systemd
orthodoxy, e.g. on its otherwise splendid wiki.
Along the same lines, note entries for Gentoo and Funtoo in
OpenRC-variant forms.
That is not, however, the end of the story, because of another wrinkle
entirely. Not long after the Debian -> Devuan fork over the systemd
issue, I started playing with Debian 8 'Jessie' in a VM and found myself
strongly questioning a too-easily-accepted bit of orthodoxy: that Debian
was now systemd-dependent. I had been assured by Devuan proponents and
others that Debian was no longer feasible without systemd, but decided
an gram of empirical data is worth a kilogram of rhetoric, so checked
for myself, and lo! The story is (to date) really entirely untrue, as
long as you don't need _all_ of GNOME, MATE, Cinnamon, or, and Razor-qt,
and aren't in love with (GNOME's) network-manager app.
http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/openrc-conversion.html
Page shows that it's _extremely_ practical to run Debian 8 'Jessie' with
your choice of: OpenRC, sysvinit, upstart, runit, or nosh.
...and that's without resort to third-party repositories, or locally
built packages, or anything complex.
So, the claim that current Debian is systemd-captive is basically false.
Running it with any of five other inits (unless you're in love with
certain DEs) is dead-easy.
For my own use on my next-generation Debian-based Internet server, I'm
experimenting with not only shucking systemd (and libsystemd0), but also
udev, D-Bus, upower, udisks2, policykit-1, and pretty much every bit of
Freedesktop.org bloatware that's plagued the Linux community for the
past decade.
What I really do not know is whether it's relatively easy to free other
allegedly systemd-captive distributions through obvious local-sysadmin
package operations such as I describe in my article for Debian 8. Might
be; might be not. You tell me!
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