MESSAGE
| DATE | 2016-01-23 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
|
| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ANTLR Packages
|
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 05:19:31PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
>
> > there is nothing private about a tech support and sales interaction with a public business.
>
> I do not agree. I think that in the general case this is abusive and
> gratuitously grandstanding behaviour, and reflects poorly on you. You
> are excessively eager to attempt to wield the Internet as a bludgeon at
> anything and anyone you have a peeve against. You come across as rude,
> and as a crank.
>
> The countless people you alternatively piss off or disappoint don't
> bother to tell you this, or do so only once in passing the way that one
> guy did, because they don't care very much about you and just want to
> minimise time wasted on you. Friends tell you when you've been a
> serious jerk. When you do this, Ruben, you are a serious jerk.
>
No, that is not right, Although the mailing list is useful to broadcast
agregious complaints, if your in a business, and your talking to a poitential
customer, you have zero right to expect any sort of privacy.
Aside from that, your description of such airing of complaints as being a Jerk....
So be it, not acting like sheep to a slaughter is conveniently defined as being a
jerk only as a matter of opinion... and not one I hold.
The world can use a few more vocal individuals when it comes to the abuses of digital
tracking and the threat of big data, and AI analysis.
There is a time and place for everything. Any time I'm screwed by a business, I'm very
likely to be vocal about it... and there is no private such conversations on such matters.
But churning this even further, lets say we are having a truly private conversation, and you
admit to me that you have 5 skeletons of prostitutes for Atlantic City buried in your backyard
in Edison NJ. I'm supposed to stay quiet?
Everything is a matter of context. If you talk with me, don't assume it is private unless we
both agree as such. And my view on that matter is very much not likely to agree with your view.
I'm plenty capable of judging for myself what is and is not private matters, and we have passed
more than a few conversations with that regard, private information between the two of us, both
back and forth, concerning each of our private lives, that will NEVER make a public air. And I'm
sure you are confident in that regard. Furthermore, I've had dog fights and organizational arguments
with individuals who I've had very very very sensitive internal sensitive information on, and even in the
midst of the most heart wrenching conflicts, I've never slipped a word on the unrelated matters, even
though it would be a crippling blow to that persons personal life.
So I am 100% confident in discerning what is private and what is not. And tech support is NOT.
> And I gather that one of the main missions of this mailing list is to be
> a public recepticle for you being a jerk.
This topic ends up on this mailing list because I'm fed up with the standard use of technology
to violate peoples person and to crusade verbally about tracking, which is obviously an embarrassment
to the very people who do it, once it is exposed publicly. That is 100% on topic of this list,
although frankly anything can be a topic on this list...just about.
Although I don't know how long that will last for that people will be embarrassed by this activity.
Young adults without experience are entering society with no sense of self, or understanding of the
underlining danger involved. But this is not much different than the copyright wars and the DRM and
DMCA arguments with that regard. If you want to accuse me of tilting at windmills, stand in line.
> So, inertia suggests tht you
> will continue doing so, and will arrange your opinions to justify your
> behaviour, ennoble it,
Who me! You see so through my veneer of civility! You seem to be saying that this topic is not
dear to me and that I'm just enjoying being a jerk. I honestly don't feel I need to respond to
that issue, as it is a matter of ones perspective and such arguments can't be one. It bothers me
that you feel that way, but not as much as the tracking and electronic surveillance bothers me.
> and wrap it in the odor of sanctity. Because
> that's what people do when cornered on assholish behaviour: They
> justify themselves and double down.
>
> But a friend stopped briefly, twice, to tell you that you erred.
>
> And now that friend needs to get back to SCALE14x.
>
> You forgot to say 'Thank you' for the useful example BIND9 coniguration.
>
> _______________________________________________
> hangout mailing list
> hangout-at-nylxs.com
> http://www.nylxs.com/
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
_______________________________________________
hangout mailing list
hangout-at-nylxs.com
http://www.nylxs.com/
|
|
