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MESSAGE
DATE 2015-11-17
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
On 11/17/2015 04:03 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> CIA Director John Brennan, taking advantage of the PR opportunity of the
> Daesh attacks on Paris and Beirut, yesterday gave a keynote at the
> Center for Strategic and International Studies, once again pushing for
> its wishlist of items to further expand mass surveillance.
>
>
> http://www.c-span.org/video/?400755-1/cia-director-john-brennan-remarks-global-security&start=2685
>
> That was a pretty vague and brief talk, but you'll notice a couple of
> polite swipes: 'Unauthorized disclosures' have led to 'a lot of
> hand-wringing over the government's role in the effort to try to uncover
> these terrorists.... There have been some policy and legal and other
> actions taken that make our ability collectively, internationally, to
> find these terrorists much more challenging, and I do hope that this is
> going to be a wake up call.'
>
> He means Snowden, and in particular Snowden's revelation to the American
> public of two surveillance programs: covert bulk collection of USA
> telephone traffic under PATRIOT Act section 215 (the section that was
> intended to permit collection of business records, such as telephone
> call metadata, that is relevant to a national-security investigation,
> and was interpreted by George W. Bush's Justice Department as permitting
> the collection of _all_ telephone data), and spying on non-U.S.
> citizens under Section 702.
>
> Brennan also put us all on notice that there's going to be a new spook
> war on effective encryption software: 'There has been a significant
> increase of operational security of a number of these operatives and the
> terrorist networks as they have gone to school on what it is they need
> to do to keep their activities concealed from the authorities. As I
> mentioned, there are a lot of technological capabilities that are
> available right now that make it exceptionally difficult both
> technically as well as legally for intelligence security services to
> have the insight they need to uncover it.'
>
> He means your ability to keep your records and communication under your
> own control, subject to your privacy measures, and able to be validated
> and authenticated. He's again' it.
>
> (Because, gosh, none of those foreigners were capable of making
> effective use of strong encryption when it became a commodity item for
> everyone twenty years ago. Clearly, the possibility of them using it is
> a sudden emergency requiring new action.)
>
> In two weeks, a provision of the new USA Freedom Act, supported by court
> decisions, takes effect that prevents the NSA from collecting and
> storing American phone data in bulk. The spooks _very much_ don't like
> that bit, even though it's only the tiniest start towards putting the
> huge mass-surveillance apparatus a bit more under control.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/politics/judge-deals-a-blow-to-nsa-phone-surveillance-program.html
>
> And all that concern about government surveillance? Brennan calls it
> 'hand-wringing over the governments role in the effort to uncover these
> terrorists.'
>
> Effectiveness of the Section 215 and Section 702 programs in _actually_
> stopping terrorist attacks have been more than questionable: They've
> been pretty much exactly nil, and the government has then lied and
> claimed otherwise -- as shown when PBS Frontline looked into both
> programs:
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/foreign-affairs-defense/american-terrorist/the-hidden-intelligence-breakdowns-behind-the-mumbai-attacks/
>
>
> Nonetheless, expect the spooks' new war on crypto and privacy to start
> in three... two... one.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/us/after-paris-attacks-cia-director-rekindles-debate-over-surveillance.html
> http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/16/9745932/paris-attack-terrorism-surveillance-cia-brennan
>
>
> (Meanwhile, over in the UK, PM Cameron spoke of putting aggressive
> surveillance proposal on the fast track. Commenters immediately dubbed
> this pending proposal the Snoopers' Charter.)
>
>
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sorry for changing lists but I wanted to post the entire article

By The Associated Press
2015-11-15 19:34:46 UTC

Senior Iraqi intelligence officials warned coalition countries of
imminent assaults by the Islamic State group just one day before last
week's deadly attacks in Paris killed 129 people, The Associated Press
has learned.

Iraqi intelligence sent a dispatch saying the group's leader, Abu Bakr
al-Baghdadi, had ordered an attack on coalition countries fighting
against them in Iraq and Syria, as well as on Iran and Russia, "through
bombings or assassinations or hostage taking in the coming days."

The dispatch said the Iraqis had no specific details on when or where
the attack would take place, and a senior French security official told
the AP that French intelligence gets this kind of communication "all the
time" and "every day."

Paris01

French police in full bulletproof gear returns after a false alert, sent
hundreds running off the place de la Republique in Paris.

Image: Jerome Delay/Associated Press

However, six senior Iraqi officials corroborated the information in the
dispatch, a copy of which was obtained by the AP, and four of these
intelligence officials said they also warned France specifically of a
potential attack. Two officials told the AP that France was warned
beforehand of details that French authorities have yet to make public.

Among them: that the Paris attacks appear to have been planned in Raqqa,
Syria — the Islamic State's de-facto capital — where the attackers were
trained specifically for this operation and with the intention of
sending them to France.

The officials also said a sleeper cell in France then met with the
attackers after their training and helped them to execute the plan.

There were 24 people involved in the operation, they said: 19 attackers
and five others in charge of logistics and planning.

The officials all spoke anonymously because they are not authorized to
discuss the matter publicly.

The Islamic State group claimed responsibility on Saturday for the gun
and bomb attacks on a stadium, a concert hall and Paris cafes that also
wounded 350 people, 99 of them seriously. Seven of the attackers blew
themselves up. Police have been searching intensively for accomplices.

Iraq's Foreign Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, also told journalists in
Vienna on Sunday that Iraqi intelligence agencies had obtained
information that some countries would be targeted, including France, the
United States and Iran, and had shared the intelligence with those
countries.

Officials in the French presidential palace would not comment, and U.S.
officials didn't immediately comment when contacted by The AP.

Every night, the head of French counterintelligence goes to bed asking
'why not today?' the French security official said.

The Iraqi government has been sharing intelligence with various
coalition nations since they launched their airstrike campaign against
the Islamic State group last year. In September, the Iraqi government
also announced that it was part of an intelligence-sharing quartet with
Russia, Iran and Syria for the purposes of undermining the militant
group's ability to make further battlefield gains.

A third of Iraq and Syria are now part of the self-styled caliphate
declared by the Islamic State group last year. U.S.-led coalitions in
Iraq and Syria are providing aerial support to allied ground forces in
both countries, and they are arming and training Iraqi forces. The U.S.
said it is also sending as many as 50 special forces to northern Syria.

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  92. 2015-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ransomware - attacking apache
  93. 2015-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] windows 3.1
  94. 2015-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] windows 3.1
  95. 2015-11-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] windows 3.1
  96. 2015-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
  97. 2015-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] could be done better if it was planned
  98. 2015-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bad Debt Collectors and Their Prey
  99. 2015-11-18 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  100. 2015-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  101. 2015-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] ms linux continues
  102. 2015-11-19 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ms linux continues
  103. 2015-11-19 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  104. 2015-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ms linux continues
  105. 2015-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Clips Notes
  106. 2015-11-19 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  107. 2015-11-19 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  108. 2015-11-20 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  109. 2015-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Handling dates and Time
  110. 2015-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Handling dates and Time
  111. 2015-11-20 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Could NYLXS, CCNY. LIU,
  112. 2015-11-20 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Could NYLXS, CCNY. LIU,
  113. 2015-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: eudyptula challenge,
  114. 2015-11-20 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Could NYLXS, CCNY. LIU,
  115. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Wastson on SuSE
  116. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Wastson on SuSE
  117. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  118. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  119. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Artificial Intelligence and Forward Chaining
  120. 2015-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux Job
  121. 2015-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] another job
  122. 2015-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] PHP
  123. 2015-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] this is the funiest thing Robin Williams never said
  124. 2015-11-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] this is the funiest thing Robin Williams never
  125. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Letters of Recommendation
  126. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [noreply-at-comsoc.org: New Course on Big Data 5-6
  127. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Firefox marketing on Flatbush Avenue
  128. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  129. 2015-11-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  130. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  131. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] in memorial
  132. 2015-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] security and tracking in the land of terrorism
  133. 2015-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] just a plug for our friend Amy
  134. 2015-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] private reusable rocket is a success
  135. 2015-11-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  136. 2015-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
  137. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Middle east Analysis
  138. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
  139. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Thanksgiving Present
  140. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
  141. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] A message for Thanksgiving
  142. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Eight bucks, no kidding!
  143. 2015-11-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Five bucks, no kidding!
  144. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Compiler Theory Class
  145. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Nice Jewish Girl
  146. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Larry Wall on Haskell and Java
  147. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Apollo
  148. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Sil;licon Valley Republicans
  149. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] new way to get interviews only through skype ??
  150. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The New Linux Journal in an app happy world
  151. 2015-11-27 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  152. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Five bucks, no kidding!
  153. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Systems Administrator Position
  154. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  155. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] losing the internet
  156. 2015-11-27 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  157. 2015-11-27 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Five bucks, no kidding!
  158. 2015-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The New Linux Journal in an app happy world
  159. 2015-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The New Linux Journal in an app happy world
  160. 2015-11-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] losing the internet
  161. 2015-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Decent Vorbis Radio
  162. 2015-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the week
  163. 2015-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] 30 thousand bucks, no kidding!
  164. 2015-11-30 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] ???? = question ? So what is the question (s) ?
  165. 2015-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Domination

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