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DATE 2015-11-10
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SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] everything in the story has to be exactly on time
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/07/the_heros_journey_the_idea_you_never_knew_had_shaped_star_wars/



The Hero’s Journey: The idea you never knew had shaped “Star Wars”
Joseph Campbell believed a single archetypal story lay at the heart of
all stories -- George Lucas was listening
John Higgs

Topics: Dune, Star Wars, joseph campbell, Books, Editor's Picks,
Innovation News, Entertainment News
The Hero's Journey: The idea you never knew had shaped "Star Wars"
Mark Hamill in "Star Wars" (Credit: Lucasfilm)
Excerpted from "Stranger Than We Can Imagine: Making Sense of the
Twentieth Century"

The opening of the Chilean filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky’s proposed
adaptation of Frank Herbert’s 1965 novel, Dune, would have been the most
ambitious single shot in cinema.

It was to begin outside a spiral galaxy and then continuously track in,
into the blazing light of billions of stars, past planets and wrecked
spacecraft. The music was to be written and performed by Pink Floyd. The
scene would have continued past convoys of mining trucks designed by the
crème of European science fiction and surrealist artists, including
Chris Foss, Moebius and H.R. Giger. We would see bands of space pirates
attacking these craft and fighting to the death over their cargo, a
life-giving drug known as Spice. Still the camera would continue
forwards, past inhabited asteroids and the deep-space industrial
complexes which refine the drug, until it found a small spacecraft
carrying away the end result of this galactic economy: the dead bodies
of those involved in the spice trade.

The shot would have been a couple of minutes long and would have
established an entire universe. It was a wildly ambitious undertaking,
especially in the pre-computer graphics days of cinema. But that wasn’t
going to deter Jodorowsky.

This scale of Jodorowsky’s vision was a reflection of his philosophy of
filmmaking. “What is the goal of life? It is to create yourself a soul.
For me, movies are an art more than an industry. The search for the
human soul as painting, as literature, as poetry: movies are that for
me,” he said. From that perspective, there was no point in settling for
anything small. “My ambition for Dune was for the film to be a Prophet,
to change the young minds of all the world. For me Dune would be the
coming of a God, an artistic and cinematic God.

“For me the aim was not to make a picture, it was something deeper. I
wanted to make something sacred.”

The English maverick theatre director Ken Campbell, who formed the
Science Fiction Theatre Company of Liverpool in 1976, also recognised
that this level of ambition could arise from science fiction, even if he
viewed it from a more grounded perspective. “When you think about it,”
he explained, “the entire history of literature is nothing more than
people coming in and out of doors. Science fiction is about everything
else.”

Jodorowsky began putting a team together, one capable of realising his
dream. He chose collaborators he believed to be “spiritual warriors.”
The entire project seemed blessed by good fortune and synchronicity.
When he decided that he needed superstars like Orson Welles, Salvador
Dalí or Mick Jagger to play certain parts, he would somehow meet these
people by happenstance and persuade them to agree. But when
pre-production was complete, he went to pitch the film to the Hollywood
studios.

Jodorowsky pitched Dune in the years before the success of Star Wars,
when science fiction was still seen as strange and embarrassing. As
impressive and groundbreaking as his pitch was, it was still a science
fiction film. They all said “no.”

By the time this genre was first named, in the 1920s, it was already
marginalised. It was fine for the kids, needless to say, but critics
looked down upon it. In many ways this was a blessing. Away from the
cultural centre, science fiction authors were free to explore and
experiment. In this less pressured environment science fiction became,
in the opinion of the English novelist J.G. Ballard, the last genre
capable of adequately representing present-day reality. Science fiction
was able to get under the skin of the times in a different way to more
respected literature. A century of uncertainty, relative perspectives
and endless technological revolutions was frequently invisible to
mainstream culture, but was not ignored by science fiction.

* * *

The script for George Lucas’s 1977 movie Star Wars was influenced by The
Hero with a Thousand Faces, a 1949 book by the American mythologist
Joseph Campbell. Campbell believed that at the heart of all the wild and
varied myths and stories which mankind has dreamt lies one single
archetypal story of profound psychological importance. He called this
the monomyth. As Campbell saw it, the myths and legends of the world
were all imperfect variations on this one, pure story structure. As
Campbell summarised the monomyth, “A hero ventures forth from the world
of common day into a region of supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are
there encountered and a decisive victory is won: the hero comes back
from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his
fellow man.”

Campbell found echoes of this story wherever he looked; myths as diverse
as those of Ulysses, Osiris or Prometheus, the lives of religious
figures such as Moses, Christ or Buddha, and in plays and stories
ranging from Ancient Greece to Shakespeare and Dickens. This story is
now known as “The Hero’s Journey.” It is a story that begins with an
ordinary man (it is almost always a man) in a recognisable world. That
man typically receives a call to adventure, encounters an older
patriarchal mentor, undergoes many trials in his journey to confront and
destroy a great evil, and returns to his previous life rewarded and
transformed. George Lucas was always open about the fact that he
consciously shaped the original Star Wars film into a modern expression
of Campbell’s monomyth, and has done much to raise the profile of
Campbell and his work.

Star Wars was so successful that the American film industry has never
really recovered. Together with the films of Lucas’s friend Steven
Spielberg, it changed Hollywood into an industry of blockbusters,
tent-pole releases and high-concept pitches. American film was always a
democratic affair which gave the audience what it wanted, and the
audience demonstrated what they wanted by the purchase of tickets. The
shock with which Hollywood reacted to Star Wars was as much about
recognising how out of step with the audience’s interests it had become
as it was about how much money was up for grabs. Had it realised this a
few years earlier, it might have green-lit Jodorowsky’s Dune.

The fact that Lucas had used Campbell’s monomyth as his tool for
bottling magic did not go unnoticed. As far as Hollywood was concerned,
The Hero’s Journey was the goose that laid the golden eggs. Studio
script-readers used it to analyse submitted scripts and determine
whether or not they should be rejected. Screenwriting theorists and
professionals internalised it, until they were unable to produce stories
that differed from its basic structure. Readers and writers alike all
knew at exactly which point in the script the hero needed their inciting
incident, their reversal into their darkest hour and their third-act
resolution. In an industry dominated by the bottom line and massive job
insecurity, Campbell’s monomyth gained a stranglehold over the structure
of cinema.

Campbell’s monomyth has been criticised for being Eurocentric and
patriarchal. But it has a more significant problem, in that Campbell was
wrong. There is not one pure archetypal story at the heart of human
storytelling. The monomyth was not a treasure he discovered at the heart
of myth, but an invention of his own that he projected onto the stories
of the ages. It’s unarguably a good story, but it is most definitely not
the only one we have. As the American media critic Philip Sandifer
notes, Campbell “identified one story he liked about death and
resurrection and proceeded to find every instance of it he could in
world mythology. Having discovered a vast expanse of nails for his
newfound hammer he declared that it was a fundamental aspect of human
existence, ignoring the fact that there were a thousand other
‘fundamental stories’ that you could also find in world mythology.”

Campbell’s story revolves around one single individual, a lowly born
person with whom the audience identifies. This hero is the single most
important person in the world of the story, a fact understood not just
by the hero, but by everyone else in that world. A triumph is only a
triumph if the hero is responsible, and a tragedy is only a tragedy if
it affects the hero personally. Supporting characters cheer or weep for
the hero in ways they do not for other people. The death of a character
the hero did not know is presented in a manner emotionally far removed
from the death of someone the hero loved. Clearly, this was a story
structure ideally suited to the prevailing culture. Out of all the
potential monomyths that he could have run with, Campbell, a
twentieth-century American, chose perhaps the most individualistic one
possible.

The success of this monomyth in the later decades of the twentieth
century is an indication of how firmly entrenched the individualism
became. Yet in the early twenty-first century, there are signs that this
magic formula may be waning. The truly absorbing and successful
narratives of our age are moving beyond the limited, individual
perspective of The Hero’s Journey. Critically applauded series like The
Wire and mainstream commercial hit series such as Game of Thrones are
loved for the complexity of their politics and group relationships.
These are stories told not from the point of view of one person, but
from many interrelated perspectives, and the relationships between a
complex network of different characters can engage us more than the
story of a single man being brave.

In the twenty-first century audiences are drawn to complicated, lengthy
engagements with characters, from their own long-term avatar in World of
Warcraft and other online gameworlds to characters like Doctor Who who
have a fifty-years-plus history. The superhero films in the “Marvel
Cinematic Universe” are all connected, because Marvel understands that
the sum is greater than the parts. A simple Hero’s Journey story such as
J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit becomes, when adapted for a
twenty-first-century cinema audience, a lengthy trilogy of films far
more complex than the original book. We now seem to look for stories of
greater complexity than can be offered by a single perspective.

If science fiction is our cultural early-warning system, its move away
from individualism tells us something about the direction we are headed.
This should grab our attention, especially when, in the years after the
Second World War, it became apparent just how dark the cult of the self
could get.

Excerpted from “Stranger Than We Can Imagine: Making Sense of the
Twentieth Century” by John Higgs. Copyright © 2015 by John Higgs.
Reprinted by permission of Counterpoint.
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  75. 2015-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The importance and moral obligation to archive
  76. 2015-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] message from Jesus
  77. 2015-11-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] everything in the story has to be exactly on time
  78. 2015-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] RMS on Education
  79. 2015-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] situation worsens
  80. 2015-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Who snoops on Who
  81. 2015-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Salman Rushdie
  82. 2015-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Islam
  83. 2015-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [jkeen-at-verizon.net: ny.pm technical meeting on
  84. 2015-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Quick Cruise up the Hudson with the Smithsonian
  85. 2015-11-15 From: "ballantrae101 ." <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Quick Cruise up the Hudson with the Smithsonian
  86. 2015-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  87. 2015-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] FWIW for Michael et al
  88. 2015-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] jobs
  89. 2015-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] jobs followup
  90. 2015-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ransomware - attacking apache
  91. 2015-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] windows 3.1
  92. 2015-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ransomware - attacking apache
  93. 2015-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] windows 3.1
  94. 2015-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] windows 3.1
  95. 2015-11-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] windows 3.1
  96. 2015-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
  97. 2015-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] could be done better if it was planned
  98. 2015-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bad Debt Collectors and Their Prey
  99. 2015-11-18 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  100. 2015-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  101. 2015-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] ms linux continues
  102. 2015-11-19 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ms linux continues
  103. 2015-11-19 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  104. 2015-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ms linux continues
  105. 2015-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Clips Notes
  106. 2015-11-19 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  107. 2015-11-19 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  108. 2015-11-20 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] permissions in Debian packages?
  109. 2015-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Handling dates and Time
  110. 2015-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Handling dates and Time
  111. 2015-11-20 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Could NYLXS, CCNY. LIU,
  112. 2015-11-20 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Could NYLXS, CCNY. LIU,
  113. 2015-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: eudyptula challenge,
  114. 2015-11-20 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Could NYLXS, CCNY. LIU,
  115. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Wastson on SuSE
  116. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Wastson on SuSE
  117. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  118. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  119. 2015-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Artificial Intelligence and Forward Chaining
  120. 2015-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux Job
  121. 2015-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] another job
  122. 2015-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] PHP
  123. 2015-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] this is the funiest thing Robin Williams never said
  124. 2015-11-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] this is the funiest thing Robin Williams never
  125. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Letters of Recommendation
  126. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [noreply-at-comsoc.org: New Course on Big Data 5-6
  127. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Firefox marketing on Flatbush Avenue
  128. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  129. 2015-11-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  130. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  131. 2015-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] in memorial
  132. 2015-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] security and tracking in the land of terrorism
  133. 2015-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] just a plug for our friend Amy
  134. 2015-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] private reusable rocket is a success
  135. 2015-11-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  136. 2015-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
  137. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Middle east Analysis
  138. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
  139. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Thanksgiving Present
  140. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [conspire] CIA chief Brennan hints new gov't
  141. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] A message for Thanksgiving
  142. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Eight bucks, no kidding!
  143. 2015-11-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Five bucks, no kidding!
  144. 2015-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Compiler Theory Class
  145. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Nice Jewish Girl
  146. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Larry Wall on Haskell and Java
  147. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Apollo
  148. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Sil;licon Valley Republicans
  149. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] new way to get interviews only through skype ??
  150. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The New Linux Journal in an app happy world
  151. 2015-11-27 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  152. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Five bucks, no kidding!
  153. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Systems Administrator Position
  154. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  155. 2015-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] losing the internet
  156. 2015-11-27 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cheapbytes has been slacking
  157. 2015-11-27 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Five bucks, no kidding!
  158. 2015-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The New Linux Journal in an app happy world
  159. 2015-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The New Linux Journal in an app happy world
  160. 2015-11-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] losing the internet
  161. 2015-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Decent Vorbis Radio
  162. 2015-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the week
  163. 2015-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] 30 thousand bucks, no kidding!
  164. 2015-11-30 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] ???? = question ? So what is the question (s) ?
  165. 2015-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Domination

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