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| DATE | 2015-03-10 |
| FROM | Paul Robert Marino
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Kernel Mailing List Social Protocols
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Rubin
Have you actually read it there is no statement of censorship at all
in fact the reverse its basically states that inevitably occasionally
frustrations will run high because every one is trying to do their
best to enhance the kernel as much as possible; however if you feel
some one is being excessively abusive or threatening report it so they
can attempt to resolve the situation.
I agree with it there have been a lot of conversations which get out
of hand on some lists which do go as far as physical threats. lets
face it the majority of the Linux community are passionate about the
technology and that breads a certain level of necessary debate which
can often get heated. Evin I have to admit on ocassion Ive been know
to get so frustrated on a list with people who were out of their
league in a conversation but claimed to be an authority on the subject
that I've filliped out and started making fun of them. and lord knows
how many technical flame wars which had enough real technical merits
on the opposing side that i couldn't just dismiss them but got
extremely heated during the course of the debate. These thing happen
and are never eliminate that from the community nor should we want to
because often those debates lead to better results than one individual
could come up with on their own.
That said occasionally you run across a few people who are just
mentally ill and use our community as a venue to feed their insanity
or get off on their rage issues, and add nothing productive to the
process. That is unacceptable
and we as a community need to filter those people out so we can get
meaningful productive work done. Equally as important we also need to
be able to recognize and help people who are use to scientific debates
to form a thicker skin about it if they are over reacting to comments
made during a debate. To accomplish both of these task we need people
to report if they feel they are being verbally assaulted or physically
threatened for no reliant reason and look at each incident and
evaluate it because part of the community has gotten out of hand.
For example a few years ago while at a bar a member of NYBUG asked me
to come out side and have a cigaret with him, as soon as we got out
side he started pressing his finger into my chest and treated me never
call him on his bull shit ever again. Now those weren't quite the
words he used but it definitely was a threat. Considering where and
how I grew up his threats didn't scare me a bit they only made me very
angry and still do, but I can see how others would be scared because
he could be considered by many a physically imposing and the setup
seemed a little too practiced I am positive he has done it to others
as well. now some people may be ask what started this well essentially
he was telling a story about something that happened at one of the NYC
Linux world expos where he made himself sound like the only sane
person involved and was badmouthing a lot of good people. I guess he
forgot I was there involved in the entire situation and a know it was
the exact opposite of what he claimed. As a result I didn't insult him
but I did verbally knock him down a peg by telling the group some of
what really happens and told him to stop insulting friend of mine he
doesn't really know. his response was to get me someplace with no one
around and threaten physical violence.
This kind of behavior is nuts and has no place in our community!
here is the actual statement in
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/CodeOfConflict?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34
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Code of Conflict
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The Linux kernel development effort is a very personal process compared
to "traditional" ways of developing software. Your code and ideas
behind it will be carefully reviewed, often resulting in critique and
criticism. The review will almost always require improvements to the
code before it can be included in the kernel. Know that this happens
because everyone involved wants to see the best possible solution for
the overall success of Linux. This development process has been proven
to create the most robust operating system kernel ever, and we do not
want to do anything to cause the quality of submission and eventual
result to ever decrease.
If however, anyone feels personally abused, threatened, or otherwise
uncomfortable due to this process, that is not acceptable. If so,
please contact the Linux Foundation's Technical Advisory Board at
, or the individual members, and they
will work to resolve the issue to the best of their ability. For more
information on who is on the Technical Advisory Board and what their
role is, please see:
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/advisory-councils/tab
As a reviewer of code, please strive to keep things civil and focused on
the technical issues involved. We are all humans, and frustrations can
be high on both sides of the process. Try to keep in mind the immortal
words of Bill and Ted, "Be excellent to each other."
"
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/815318-on-the-linux-kernels-code-of-conflict
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> I don't buy it. the last thing we need is thought police on the Linux
> Kernel list...
>
> Last week, 60 kernel developers signed off on a small patch
> called
> the Code of Conflict that provides guidelines for discourse in the
> kernel community and outlines a path for mediation if someone feels
> abused or threatened. The code was written by kernel maintainer Greg
> K-H, supported by many of the most prolific maintainers and developers
> of the kernel community and accepted into the kernel by Linus Torvalds
> himself.
>
> The Linux Foundation is happy to see these guidelines and is supportive
> of the mediation process. We will work directly with the Linux
> Foundation Technical Advisory Board to provide whatever support they
> need in implementing this process. We believe the guidelines are
> grounded in the unique culture and process that makes Linux so
> successful. Conflict over code will and should happen. But the Code is
> very clear that personal insults or abuse are not welcome.
>
> It’s no secret that the software industry would like to see more
> diversity. The Linux Foundation believes in that. While this code does
> not address that directly, we feel it’s an important step to make clear
> that civil discourse is an important part of an open source community
> and to make it very plain that all are welcome. Over the last few years,
> The Linux Foundation has undertaken a variety of programs to address the
> diversity issue. From funding kernel internships to being one of the
> first organizations to publish a code of conduct for our events, we take
> the need for diversity seriously and plan on continuing and expanding
> these programs as well as supporting the community in their efforts.
>
> There is a long way to go, but the kernel community is always evolving
> and we feel this patch is an important step.
>
>
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