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| DATE | 2015-03-06 |
| FROM | Elfen Magix
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Community Funding
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How can I say this without being offensive? I can't. So... *Sneezes!* BULLSHIT!
I have been part of the NYC Bd of Ed and later with the Dept. of Ed since 1984 and help create 2 charter schools, set up the Computer Literacy program it uses to this day, and told the Bd of Ed what it had to do to be up to par with the evolving technology including computerizing itself - back then! So this FBI fingerprinting story is Bullshit. The DOE does fingerprinting background checks with the City Marshall's office in conjunction with the NYPD. And for 99.99999% of all cases, it ends there. The FBI is used in cases of out of non-citizen employment, out of nation potential employees where NYPD has no reach (when under the early years of Bloomberg, hundreds of teachers were hired from Europe and Africa because they had a better STEM Education than US College students who only got degrees in liberal arts and English Lit.)
Since I was a NYC DOE Employee and a former NYPD Aux Police Officer, my finger prints will come out clear on any background searches based on those fingerprints alone. But if you throw in stupid websites like Spokeo and do an email background check - yeah - stupid shit from 20 years ago, false logins to websites you do not know about, porn sites you visited 15 years ago, all come up and that's not even should be allowed.
But as community centers are concerned, you need a license from the NYC Dept. of Child Services (used to be Dept. of Youth Services) from the city, and depending on the scope and involvement of the program, you will need a state license (for programs that run as part of a summer day camp program, needs this the state license). Your staff needs a NYS Child Abuse Background check (done by the Dept. of Child Welfare). This is on top of the NYPD or DOE fingerprinting check. There are private agencies that will do the fingerprinting as well.
Thing is this, if you are running it with a school, the DOE can either circumvent or replace NYC/NYS licenses and background checks, but the DOE has to do these things. But there are problems. School principals do not run the buildings, the custodial staff does. So events that has the school open on weekends and/or after school hours has to go through them. With a community center, many of them are open until 9pm or later (Mayor De Asshole sent funds for community centers to be open until midnight or 1am.) and on weekends. So this is something to look into.
As I can tell, I have no medical appoints all of next week, so I'm free then for the most part. If I find it I'll bring my old license from my program years ago.
~Fernando
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On Fri, 3/6/15, prmarino1-at-gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Community Funding
To: hangout-at-nylxs.com, hangout-at-nylxs.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015, 1:21 AM
Yes
Rubin is right and I can answer many of these questions
but not all off the top of my head however many of them are
too complex to answer but a single email and are far easier
to discuss.
One I can
answer as an example just to give you an idea of the
complexity involved is 2d.
Unless you have been previously background
checked by the DOE any one who directly works with the
kids if it is funded by the DOE will have to get s full FBI
fingerprint background check. That said and this is where it
gets complicated is if some one has been arrested in the
past it does not necessarily rule them out. But it is
something that if some one does have a criminal background
including things which are excluded from the requirements to
report merits a private conversation in advance; because it
is not uncommon for misdemeanors, dismissed cases, and even
sealed records to pop up on them because of a clerks mistake
so confidential and frank discussions of any criminal record
should be discussed. In most cases reporting thing which are
not required is favorable in comparison to them finding out
because of a clerks mistake. This is because if it's not
pertinent to the background check parameters and you
didn't report it and it pops up it raises questions, but
if you reported it that shows honesty which depending on the
nature of the incident may overshadow any past
indecressions.
The important thing is that
we know in advance so we can evaluate if we can put you
through the process without risk of hurting our reputation
as a group.
Sent from my
BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
Original
Message
From: Ruben Safir
Sent:
Thursday, March 5, 2015 23:11
To: hangout-at-nylxs.com
Reply To: hangout-at-nylxs.com
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Community
Funding
Good questions and as soon as
you come to a time and place to have a
meeting with Rafi, we can begin to answer these
questions.
Did you get his
email address?
Ruben
PS - Freilich Um Purim to you
as well!
On 03/05/2015 08:59 PM, Elfen Magix wrote:
> OK, lets start with the basics and
preliminaries:
>
> 1)
What kind of program are we starting?
>
> 2a) Where is it going
to be housed?
>
> 2b)
Is it a stand alone program or is it piggy backing somebody
else's center? Is the NYC DOE Schools involved?
>
> 2c) Are we going to
need a license for it?
> If we are
dealing with children we might have too.
> If we are dealing with adults only then we
don't have too in the beginning.
>
Teens are a iffy ground depending on their age.
>
> 2d) Will we require
fingerprinting and background checks?
>
Again, if we are dealing with children we might have too.
> If we are dealing with adults only then we
don't have too in the beginning.
>
Teens are a iffy ground depending on their age.
>
> 3a) What materials do
we need to bring in? vs. What materials are already being
supplied?
>
> 3b) What
in terms of money are we going to require to start?
>
> 4) What group of
people are we dealing with: rich, poor, ethnic minorities,
educationally handicapped, etc.?
>
> 5) What boro will it be in? Not that it
matters, we just have to compensate for travel time.
>
> All this has to be
done first before one can apply for grants, stating that we
have the program going and people willing to attend, we need
the city/organization's funding help to get it going. At
least you/we can say that through we have NYXLS and we
helped out community centers in the past. We just need to
let it continue with the upkeep and progress of those we
helped. In that NYXLS can get funding for continued work.
>
> ~Fernando.
>
>
>
>
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> On Thu, 3/5/15, Ruben Safir
wrote:
>
> Subject:
Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Community Funding
>
To: hangout-at-nylxs.com
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2015, 5:46 PM
>
>
> On
> 03/05/2015 05:23
PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> one more to look at
>
>
> > http://www.nyc.gov/html/ohcd/html/workforce/workforce_investment_board.shtml
> >
> > On
03/05/2015 04:39
> PM, Ruben Safir
wrote:
> >> My
>
understanding is that this funding is administered
through
> the Boro
>
>> Presidents Offices in
> NYC
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www2.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/pg1.html
> >>
> >> http://www.brighthubeducation.com/teaching-methods-tips/11105-basics-of-title-1-funds/
> >>
> >>
another
> program
>
>> http://manhattanbp.nyc.gov/html/budget/community-grants.shtml
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at
03:34:17PM
> -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>> On
> Wed,
Mar 04, 2015 at 09:44:54AM -0800, Elfen Magix wrote:
> >>>
>
>>>>
> Parent education can
mean a lot of things. And a major
>
problem is
> >>>> actually
getting
> the parents involved in the
first place.
> >>> THIS is a
hustle, and Rafi at megazell-at-gmail.com
> KNOWS this huslte
>
>>> very well
> and we, and
specifically YOU, can best learn to put all
> this
> >>>
experience together to
> work this
hustle. This is not like the lottery.
>
>>> This has to be worked. He has a
> system that he goes to various PTA
> >>> meetings and pitches Linux
> educaiton straight to the parents and
they
> >>> can use their
distcrissionary
> spending to set up
programs for GNU/Linux
> >>>
education.
> >>>
> >>> That
> is
why I am wsay that we need to step out of the box, and
> learn a
> >>>
technique to aquring
> the available
hunding, or a share of it. But it is
>
>>> 100% a hustle. You have to
>
hustle parents, teachers, principles... and
> >>> you have to remain on it
through
> failures, through the next
failure,
> >>> until you
develope a string of
> successes.
> >>>
>
>>> Rafi is gregarious, intelligent
> and willing to help up learn this
> >>> hustle, which is far more
than
> learning regulations and law, all
of
> >>> which we have studied
until being
> sick.
>
>>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>>>> Getting anyone over the age of
> 21 is problematic. Many assume that they
as
> >>>> a parent will do
best on their
> own and believe their
actions with
> >>>> the
family is what they
> require to do and
nothing more. So this
> >>>>
falls into several categories
> which I
only mention a couple:
> >>>>
Computer Literacy as a parent
> - do they
know what they children
>
>>>> are doing online? do they know
> that they are responsible for their
> >>>> child's actions? Do
thy
> know, in short, if their child
cyberbullies
> >>>> another,
that they can go to
> jail for their
child's actions? Can
>
>>>> they be sure that content
> their child is access is appropriate
for
> >>>> them? Many do not,
just as
> much do not care. The problem
comes up
> >>>> with this
fact - a mother
> would spend 10 minutes
a day with their
> >>>>
child, a father would spend 15
> minutes
a day. Is that time enough
>
>>>> for their child's needs?
> No it is not. But the TV gets 6 to 8
hours
> >>>> of
"parenting" the
> child. Today,
the TV has been replaced with the
>
>>>> computer and the Internet. 10
> - 15 minutes a day as a parent does
> >>>> not undo 6 - 8 hours with
the
> computer and internet does.
> >>> the
>
programs from the School, as far as i can understnad,
teach
> PARENT
>
>>> themselves directly.
> Our
job is to sell a program acceptable to us to
> >>> which they want toparticipate
and
> then have thempresure the school
to
> >>> make the program
available.
> >>>
> >>>
>
>>>> Parenting itself - Is what
> your learned from your parents in the
> >>>> 70s-2000's good
enough for
> you to do to you child? What
are the
> >>>> legalities of
your child's
> actions affect you?
What are your rights
> >>>>
as a parent? and so on.
>
>>>> Like I said, getting the
> parents involved is a problem. Most
work
> >>>> and are too tired
do anything
> after work. Sometimes a
weekend
> >>>> program can
get a few more
> parents involved but it
wont all of
> >>>> them. At
best, maybe 10% of
> all the
children's parents would come
>
>>>> to an event.
>
>>>
> >>> I am
> not going to accept this negativism. rafi
gets parents to
> the
> >>> programs, and even without
> that, we will get parents to the
programs.
> >>>
> >>> If we
>
got 10% that would be HUGE!!!
>
>>>
> >>> We
> must, without question, get together and
learn this hustle
> and
> >>> network our resources.
> >>>
>
>>>
> Schedule a meet up right
away.
> >>>
>
>>>>
> The only time I had a
flood of parents is when I and
>
>>>> a friend did a CPR &
> HIV/AIDS Course, where the children over
10
> >>>> were certified for
free, but
> parents paid $30, we gave a
poster
> >>>> letter about
this course
> stating, "When you
have heart attack,
> >>>> you
cant give CPR to
> yourself!" Out of
a possible 120 parents, 40
>
>>>> showed up with their older
> kids and teens. By the end of the day,
> >>>> they were all CPR
certified,
> and we generated about $1200
or the
> >>>> program that
day.
> >>>> Parent Education
has to be
> defined by the program as
what? That
> >>>> depends on
the program. For
> us, that means
what?
> >>>
>
~Fernando
> >>>
> >>>
>
-------------------------------------------- On Wed,
3/4/15,
> Ruben
>
>>> Safir
> wrote:
>
>>>
> >>> Subject:
[NYLXS - HANGOUT]
> Community Funding To:
hangout-at-nylxs.com
> >>> Date: Wednesday, March 4,
2015,
> 8:40 AM
>
>>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
Fernando
> >>>
> >>> Are you familiar with title
1
> funding for community and parent
> >>> education?
> >>>
>
>>> I
> had a bit of a
conversation with Megaz last night and I
> really
> >>>
need to confir with
> you about funding
ideas and such.? This guy
> >>>
has the whole hustle worked
> out.? Not
just details of programs,
> >>>
but also proven methods to
> hustle
funding.
> >>>
> >>> BTW - it seems we need a
social
> worker.
>
>>>
> >>> Ruben
> >>>
>
>>>
> >
>
>
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