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| DATE | 2014-12-01 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [devuan-list1@dekkers.org.uk: Re: [Dng] fraud warning]
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----- Forwarded message from Martijn Dekkers -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:58:19 +0200
From: Martijn Dekkers
To: Ruben Safir
Cc: dng
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
I think it is about time somebody takes his chill pills. I knew that
getting involved with OSS again would quickly exercise my ignore list :)
-M
On 1 December 2014 at 19:56, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:47:47PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > -at-ruben
> >
> > Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't
> let
> > the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups
> > and free to make their own choices.
> >
>
> Are you in charge of Dyne.org and collecting money for them.
>
> I'm not interested in 500 words of theological garbage and nonsense. I
> want to know who is getting the money being donated to a 'debian fork',
> who that money is going to be spent, who is going to hold you copyrights
> to the work being produced and who is going to have the admistrative
> keys.
>
> As of now, the answer is Dyne.org and Dyne.org has not produced any
> records to identify itself.
>
> I am sorely upset at the secrecy and the misdirection, starting with the
> initial proclamation of get "Old Unix Admins". Unix has been dead and
> buried by SCO and Caldera a long time now.
>
> BTW - you are also generating trade marks, supposedly. How and who is
> handling that?
>
> Or is accountability just too much to ask for when someone solicitates
> for funds from the public?
>
> Ruben
>
>
>
> > I also want to know who is who, and asked for it in a clear an polite
> way,
> > and was answered in a clear an polite way "trust us, soon we will let you
> > know", so I made the decision to do exactly that. That was my own choice.
> >
> > Who are you (or anybody else for that manner) to drop in here and
> *demand*
> > this information? You can ask for it nicely, and if you don't like the
> > answer either way, then you are free to leave or stay as you see fit. can
> > you please quit the rabble-rousing in the meantime?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -M
> >
> > On 1 December 2014 at 19:40, mutek wrote:
> >
> > > On lunedì 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> Why you can’t?
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Gianluca Zamagni
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
> > >>
> > >> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org"
> > >>
> > >> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal
> > >> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and
> activities.
> > >>
> > >> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they
> intend
> > >> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for
> any
> > >> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork.
> > >>
> > >
> > > probably this imply a little bit more patience please
> > > but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit
> unhidden
> > > information as you already seen here:
> > > "
> > > ...
> > > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> > > Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI
> > > Registrant Name:Denis Rojo
> > > Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation
> > > Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264
> > > Registrant City:Amsterdam
> > > Registrant State/Province:
> > > Registrant Postal Code:1016EV
> > > Registrant Country:NL
> > > Registrant Phone:+31.206237101
> > > Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant
> > > Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org
> > > Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI
> > > Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation
> > > Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation
> > > Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264
> > > Admin City:Amsterdam
> > > Admin State/Province:
> > > Admin Postal Code:1016 EV
> > > Admin Country:NL
> > > Admin Phone:+31.206237101
> > > Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423
> > > Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc8
> > > 32-152005-at-contact.gandi.net
> > > ...
> > > "
> > >
> > > there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name
> > >
> > > probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next
> > > days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :)
> > >
> > > make love
> > > no war
> > >
> > >
> > > m
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
> > >
>
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>
>
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>
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>
>
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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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