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| DATE | 2014-12-01 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning]
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----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:56:07 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: Martijn Dekkers
Cc: dng
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:47:47PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> -at-ruben
>
> Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't let
> the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups
> and free to make their own choices.
>
Are you in charge of Dyne.org and collecting money for them.
I'm not interested in 500 words of theological garbage and nonsense. I
want to know who is getting the money being donated to a 'debian fork',
who that money is going to be spent, who is going to hold you copyrights
to the work being produced and who is going to have the admistrative
keys.
As of now, the answer is Dyne.org and Dyne.org has not produced any
records to identify itself.
I am sorely upset at the secrecy and the misdirection, starting with the
initial proclamation of get "Old Unix Admins". Unix has been dead and
buried by SCO and Caldera a long time now.
BTW - you are also generating trade marks, supposedly. How and who is
handling that?
Or is accountability just too much to ask for when someone solicitates
for funds from the public?
Ruben
> I also want to know who is who, and asked for it in a clear an polite way,
> and was answered in a clear an polite way "trust us, soon we will let you
> know", so I made the decision to do exactly that. That was my own choice.
>
> Who are you (or anybody else for that manner) to drop in here and *demand*
> this information? You can ask for it nicely, and if you don't like the
> answer either way, then you are free to leave or stay as you see fit. can
> you please quit the rabble-rousing in the meantime?
>
> Thanks
>
> -M
>
> On 1 December 2014 at 19:40, mutek wrote:
>
> > On lunedì 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> Why you can’t?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Gianluca Zamagni
> >>>
> >>>
> >> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
> >>
> >> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org"
> >>
> >> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal
> >> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities.
> >>
> >> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend
> >> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any
> >> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork.
> >>
> >
> > probably this imply a little bit more patience please
> > but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit unhidden
> > information as you already seen here:
> > "
> > ...
> > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> > Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI
> > Registrant Name:Denis Rojo
> > Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation
> > Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264
> > Registrant City:Amsterdam
> > Registrant State/Province:
> > Registrant Postal Code:1016EV
> > Registrant Country:NL
> > Registrant Phone:+31.206237101
> > Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant
> > Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org
> > Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI
> > Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation
> > Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation
> > Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264
> > Admin City:Amsterdam
> > Admin State/Province:
> > Admin Postal Code:1016 EV
> > Admin Country:NL
> > Admin Phone:+31.206237101
> > Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423
> > Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc8
> > 32-152005-at-contact.gandi.net
> > ...
> > "
> >
> > there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name
> >
> > probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next
> > days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :)
> >
> > make love
> > no war
> >
> >
> > m
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> > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
> >
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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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