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| DATE | 2014-12-01 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: [Dng] fraud warning]
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----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:08:33 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Cc: Rick Moen
Subject: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
After a little research, it apears that if a fork needs to take place,
you need to establish indpendent infrastructure immediately. This dyne
website and these sysadmin and annonymous and untrackable, and
unaccountable...
This project, if it is to be serious, needs to be constructed in a
business like fashion. There is a collection taking place in the name
of a systemd-less debian fork under dyne.org. UNACCEPTABLE.
Everything needs to STOP until project leaders with real names are
appointed and made accountable, and a new website and infrastructure is
developed.
Kumbayah and all that not withstanding, this is serious business, and
shouldn't be run by crackmonkeys hiding their identities.
Ruben Safir
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
_______________________________________________
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----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:08:33 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Cc: Rick Moen
Subject: fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
After a little research, it apears that if a fork needs to take place,
you need to establish indpendent infrastructure immediately. This dyne
website and these sysadmin and annonymous and untrackable, and
unaccountable...
This project, if it is to be serious, needs to be constructed in a
business like fashion. There is a collection taking place in the name
of a systemd-less debian fork under dyne.org. UNACCEPTABLE.
Everything needs to STOP until project leaders with real names are
appointed and made accountable, and a new website and infrastructure is
developed.
Kumbayah and all that not withstanding, this is serious business, and
shouldn't be run by crackmonkeys hiding their identities.
Ruben Safir
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Jaromil -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:21:28 +0100
From: Jaromil
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Jaro Mail
dear Ruben,
noone is hiding identities in this very place where you are being able
to publish your offensive rant. I'm not sure what makes an entity
accountable in your world, however Dyne.org is a formally registered
non-profit contributing to FOSS development since more than a decade.
I'm its representative and I may take seriously your defamation.
If you don't like this initiative, you are welcome to leave.
this is the link to follow:
https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
ciao
--
Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000)
We are free to share code and we code to share freedom
Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf
GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10
Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil
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----- Forwarded message from Waschb??sch Martin -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:25:09 +0100
From: Waschb??sch Martin
To: Ruben Safir
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org, Rick Moen
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993)
> Am 01.12.2014 um 18:08 schrieb Ruben Safir :
>
>
> After a little research, it apears that if a fork needs to take place,
> you need to establish indpendent infrastructure immediately. This dyne
> website and these sysadmin and annonymous and untrackable, and
> unaccountable...
>
> This project, if it is to be serious, needs to be constructed in a
> business like fashion. There is a collection taking place in the name
> of a systemd-less debian fork under dyne.org. UNACCEPTABLE.
>
> Everything needs to STOP until project leaders with real names are
> appointed and made accountable, and a new website and infrastructure is
> developed.
>
> Kumbayah and all that not withstanding, this is serious business, and
> shouldn't be run by crackmonkeys hiding their identities.
If you believe this is a con, then why waste your time writing to the
list? If you really do not trut them at all and, on the contrary,
think they are a fraud, then what could they possibly say or do that
could convince you otherwise?
"What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason
away"
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:25:34 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: Jaromil
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:21:28PM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
>
> dear Ruben,
>
> noone is hiding identities in this very place where you are being able
> to publish your offensive rant. I'm not sure what makes an entity
> accountable in your world, however Dyne.org is a formally registered
> non-profit contributing to FOSS development since more than a decade.
>
I've already looked at that.
Who are YOU? Do you have a name.
My name is Ruben Safir.
What is Your Name...
Where are you registers? Under who's name? In Amsterdamn? In Paris?
Delaware? India?
Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-29T14:02:12Z
Sponsoring Registrar:Gandi SAS (R42-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI
Registrant Name:Denis Rojo
Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation
Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264
Registrant City:Amsterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:1016EV
Registrant Country:NL
Registrant Phone:+31.206237101
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org
Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI
Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation
Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation
Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264
Admin City:Amsterdam
Admin State/Province:
Admin Postal Code:1016 EV
Admin Country:NL
Admin Phone:+31.206237101
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +31.206244423
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc832-152005-at-contact.gandi.net
Tech ID:AR41-GANDI
Tech Name:Service Technique
Tech Organization:GANDI SARL
Tech Street: 63 - 65 Boulevard Massena
Tech City:Paris
Tech State/Province:
Tech Postal Code:75013
Tech Country:FR
Tech Phone:+33.143737851
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email:support-at-gandi.net
Name Server:NS.DYNE.ORG
Name Server:NS2.DYNE.ORG
Name Server:NS3.DYNE.ORG
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
DNSSEC:Unsigned
> I'm its representative and I may take seriously your defamation.
>
> If you don't like this initiative, you are welcome to leave.
> this is the link to follow:
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
>
> ciao
>
>
> --
> Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000)
> We are free to share code and we code to share freedom
> Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf
> GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10
> Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dng mailing list
> Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
_______________________________________________
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Sascha Mester -----
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:26:50 +0100
From: Sascha Mester
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.2.0
I'm not the maintainer of the Devuan project, but you find my name in
the header though.
And what the heck are now your advantages to know a name ( or the names
by anyone here ) ?
What's different from knowing names or knowing no names?
Am 01.12.2014 um 18:21 schrieb Jaromil:
> dear Ruben,
>
> noone is hiding identities in this very place where you are being able
> to publish your offensive rant. I'm not sure what makes an entity
> accountable in your world, however Dyne.org is a formally registered
> non-profit contributing to FOSS development since more than a decade.
>
> I'm its representative and I may take seriously your defamation.
>
> If you don't like this initiative, you are welcome to leave.
> this is the link to follow:
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
>
> ciao
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dng mailing list
> Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from e1 -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:28:16 +0100
From: e1
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1)
> Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:25, Ruben Safir ha scritto:
>
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:21:28PM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
>>
>> dear Ruben,
>>
>> noone is hiding identities in this very place where you are being able
>> to publish your offensive rant. I'm not sure what makes an entity
>> accountable in your world, however Dyne.org is a formally registered
>> non-profit contributing to FOSS development since more than a decade.
>>
>
> I've already looked at that.
>
> Who are YOU? Do you have a name.
>
> My name is Ruben Safir.
>
> What is Your Name...
>
> Where are you registers? Under who's name? In Amsterdamn? In Paris?
>
> Delaware? India?
I can find this infos with just ONE query on Google, almost all of the info you ask are in the first page, even without open a link.
Why you can???t?
Regards,
Gianluca Zamagni
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:28:30 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: Waschb?sch Martin
Cc: Ruben Safir , dng-at-lists.dyne.org, Rick Moen
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:25:09PM +0100, Waschb?sch Martin wrote:
>
> > Am 01.12.2014 um 18:08 schrieb Ruben Safir :
> >
This is very simple and not rocket science. The individuals who are
fronting this just need to step forward, make themselves publically
knowable. Any legal entity involved needs to be documented in PLAIN
language (English being a good one) and scrutenized.
Who the hell is Richard Rojo?
That is not RMS, that is for sure.
> >
> > After a little research, it apears that if a fork needs to take place,
> > you need to establish indpendent infrastructure immediately. This dyne
> > website and these sysadmin and annonymous and untrackable, and
> > unaccountable...
> >
> > This project, if it is to be serious, needs to be constructed in a
> > business like fashion. There is a collection taking place in the name
> > of a systemd-less debian fork under dyne.org. UNACCEPTABLE.
> >
> > Everything needs to STOP until project leaders with real names are
> > appointed and made accountable, and a new website and infrastructure is
> > developed.
> >
> > Kumbayah and all that not withstanding, this is serious business, and
> > shouldn't be run by crackmonkeys hiding their identities.
>
> If you believe this is a con, then why waste your time writing to the
> list? If you really do not trut them at all and, on the contrary,
> think they are a fraud, then what could they possibly say or do that
> could convince you otherwise?
>
> "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason
> away"
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from mutek -----
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:32:01 +0100
From: mutek
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Trojita/0.4.1; Qt/4.8.2; X11; Linux; Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy)
On luned?? 1 dicembre 2014 18:25:34 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote:
...
> I've already looked at that.
>
> Who are YOU? Do you have a name.
>
> My name is Ruben Safir.
>
> What is Your Name...
>
> Where are you registers? Under who's name? In Amsterdamn? In Paris?
>
> Delaware? India?
>
>
>
> Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-29T14:02:12Z
> Sponsoring Registrar:Gandi SAS (R42-LROR)
> Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81
> WHOIS Server:
> Referral URL:
> Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI
> Registrant Name:Denis Rojo
> Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation
> Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264
> Registrant City:Amsterdam
> Registrant State/Province:
> Registrant Postal Code:1016EV
> Registrant Country:NL
> Registrant Phone:+31.206237101
> Registrant Phone Ext:
> Registrant Fax:
> Registrant Fax Ext:
> Registrant Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org
> Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI
> Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation
> Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation
> Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264
> Admin City:Amsterdam
> Admin State/Province:
> Admin Postal Code:1016 EV
> Admin Country:NL
> Admin Phone:+31.206237101
> Admin Phone Ext:
> Admin Fax: +31.206244423
> Admin Fax Ext:
> Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc832-152005-at-contact.gandi.net
> Tech ID:AR41-GANDI
> Tech Name:Service Technique
> Tech Organization:GANDI SARL
> Tech Street: 63 - 65 Boulevard Massena
> Tech City:Paris
> Tech State/Province:
> Tech Postal Code:75013
> Tech Country:FR
> Tech Phone:+33.143737851
> Tech Phone Ext:
> Tech Fax:
> Tech Fax Ext:
> Tech Email:support-at-gandi.net
> Name Server:NS.DYNE.ORG
> Name Server:NS2.DYNE.ORG
> Name Server:NS3.DYNE.ORG
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> DNSSEC:Unsigned
sorry but,
is it so different from this?
whois debian.org
Domain Name:DEBIAN.ORG
Domain ID: D4227449-LROR
Creation Date: 1999-03-10T05:00:00Z
Updated Date: 2014-11-24T17:39:43Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-10T05:00:00Z
Sponsoring Registrar:Gandi SAS (R42-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81
WHOIS Server: Referral URL: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID:SH4438-GANDI
Registrant Name:SPI Hostmaster
Registrant Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc. - Debian Project
Registrant Street: P.O. Box 501248
Registrant City:Indianapolis
Registrant State/Province:IN
Registrant Postal Code:46250-6248
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+49.6619012303
Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant
Email:hostmaster-at-spi-inc.org
Admin ID:SH4438-GANDI
Admin Name:SPI Hostmaster
Admin Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc. - Debian Project
Admin Street: P.O. Box 501248
Admin City:Indianapolis
Admin State/Province:IN
Admin Postal Code:46250-6248
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+49.6619012303
Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:hostmaster-at-spi-inc.org
Tech ID:DH3289-GANDI
Tech Name:Debian Hostmaster
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: P.O. Box 501248
Tech City:Indianapolis
Tech State/Province:
Tech Postal Code:46250-6248
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+43.6505121024
Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email:hostmaster-at-debian.org
Name Server:DNS1.EASYDNS.COM
Name Server:DNS4.EASYDNS.INFO
Name Server:SEC1.RCODE0.NET
Name Server:SEC2.RCODE0.NET
Name Server:DEBIAN1.DNSNODE.NET
Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server:
Name Server: Name Server: DNSSEC:signedDelegation
DS Created 1:2014-01-11T09:51:50Z
DS Key Tag 1:15679
Algorithm 1:8
Digest Type 1:2
Digest 1:9772F405C41274A78D724EA33457B0FF8850570E1D1DA969B7AB1133010A9A25
DS Maximum Signature Life 1:1814400 seconds
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----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:32:45 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: e1
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
>
> Why you can???t?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gianluca Zamagni
>
No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org"
I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal
non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities.
In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend
to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any
moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork.
ALSO, no more cloak and dagger nonsense.
Use your names, so we know who we are talking to.
Ruben
>
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--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
_______________________________________________
Dng mailing list
Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:36:25 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: mutek
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:32:01PM +0100, mutek wrote:
> On luned? 1 dicembre 2014 18:25:34 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote:
> ...
> >I've already looked at that.
> >
> >Who are YOU? Do you have a name.
> >
> >My name is Ruben Safir.
> >
> >What is Your Name...
> >
> >Where are you registers? Under who's name? In Amsterdamn? In Paris?
> >
> >Delaware? India?
> >
> >
> >
> >Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-29T14:02:12Z
> sorry but,
> is it so different from this?
>
YEAH, obvious. One is identifiable and even telephone numbers and a
verifiable address and identitiy...
and Dyne.org is NOT.
See that:
Board of Directors
SPI is run by its Board of Directors and the officers they select. All
current officers are also directors.
SPI directors come from around the world and currently include citizens
of Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, the United Kingdom and the
United States.
Listed below are the officers, directors and advisors along with their
email addresses and, where relevant, their registered OFTC IRC nicks.
Officers
President
Bdale Garbee (bdale)
Vice-President
Joerg Jaspert (Ganneff)
Secretary
Martin Michlmayr (tbm)
Treasurer
Michael Schultheiss (schultmc)
Directors
Robert Brockway (Solver)
Joshua D. Drake (linuxhiker)
Jonathan McDowell (Noodles)
Gregers Petersen (glp)
Martin Zobel-Helas (zobel)
Legal Advisors
Gregory Pomerantz
Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC)
> whois debian.org
> Domain Name:DEBIAN.ORG
> Domain ID: D4227449-LROR
> Creation Date: 1999-03-10T05:00:00Z
> Updated Date: 2014-11-24T17:39:43Z
> Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-10T05:00:00Z
> Sponsoring Registrar:Gandi SAS (R42-LROR)
> Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81
> WHOIS Server: Referral URL: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> Registrant ID:SH4438-GANDI
> Registrant Name:SPI Hostmaster
> Registrant Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc. -
> Debian Project
> Registrant Street: P.O. Box 501248
> Registrant City:Indianapolis
> Registrant State/Province:IN
> Registrant Postal Code:46250-6248
> Registrant Country:US
> Registrant Phone:+49.6619012303
> Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant
> Email:hostmaster-at-spi-inc.org
> Admin ID:SH4438-GANDI
> Admin Name:SPI Hostmaster
> Admin Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc. - Debian Project
> Admin Street: P.O. Box 501248
> Admin City:Indianapolis
> Admin State/Province:IN
> Admin Postal Code:46250-6248
> Admin Country:US
> Admin Phone:+49.6619012303
> Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: Admin Fax Ext: Admin
> Email:hostmaster-at-spi-inc.org
> Tech ID:DH3289-GANDI
> Tech Name:Debian Hostmaster
> Tech Organization:
> Tech Street: P.O. Box 501248
> Tech City:Indianapolis
> Tech State/Province:
> Tech Postal Code:46250-6248
> Tech Country:US
> Tech Phone:+43.6505121024
> Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: Tech Fax Ext: Tech
> Email:hostmaster-at-debian.org
> Name Server:DNS1.EASYDNS.COM
> Name Server:DNS4.EASYDNS.INFO
> Name Server:SEC1.RCODE0.NET
> Name Server:SEC2.RCODE0.NET
> Name Server:DEBIAN1.DNSNODE.NET
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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from e1 -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:36:58 +0100
From: e1
To: Ruben Safir
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1)
> Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:32, Ruben Safir ha scritto:
>
>>
>> Why you can???t?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gianluca Zamagni
>>
>
> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
>
> I want to see the name address and contact information for ???Dyne.org"
How you can hide you personal information if you have even a Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaromil
This is not enough probably, right? Now you will start acting like this page is made from one of us, right? LOL
I???m start thinking that you are not able to use a search engine and discern information :
Regards,
Gianluca Zamagni
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from mutek -----
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:40:01 +0100
From: mutek
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Trojita/0.4.1; Qt/4.8.2; X11; Linux; Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy)
On luned?? 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>
>> Why you can???t?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gianluca Zamagni
>>
>
> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
>
> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org"
>
> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal
> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities.
>
> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend
> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any
> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork.
probably this imply a little bit more patience please
but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit unhidden
information as you already seen here:
"
...
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI
Registrant Name:Denis Rojo
Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation
Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264
Registrant City:Amsterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:1016EV
Registrant Country:NL
Registrant Phone:+31.206237101
Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant
Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org
Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI
Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation
Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation
Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264
Admin City:Amsterdam
Admin State/Province:
Admin Postal Code:1016 EV
Admin Country:NL
Admin Phone:+31.206237101
Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423
Admin Fax Ext: Admin
Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc832-152005-at-contact.gandi.net
...
"
there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name
probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next days...it
cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :)
make love
no war
m
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:40:04 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: e1
Cc: Ruben Safir , dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:36:58PM +0100, e1 wrote:
>
> > Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:32, Ruben Safir ha scritto:
> >
> >>
> >> Why you can???t?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Gianluca Zamagni
> >>
> >
> > No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
> >
> > I want to see the name address and contact information for ???Dyne.org"
>
> How you can hide you personal information if you have even a Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books?
>
Not interested in double talk. Are you in charge of DYNE.ORG?
Is Gianluca Zamagni => Jaromil?
And if you aren't then don't waste everyones time.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaromil
>
> This is not enough probably, right? Now you will start acting like this page is made from one of us, right? LOL
>
> I???m start thinking that you are not able to use a search engine and discern information :
>
> Regards,
>
> Gianluca Zamagni
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:42:43 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: mutek
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
>
> make love
> no war
FUCK LOVE
I want transpancy and accountability.
I hope that isn't being to Brooklyn for you to understand
Who the hell is Denis Rojo and who runs Dyne Org.
Ruben
>
> m
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--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
_______________________________________________
Dng mailing list
Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from e1 -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:45:15 +0100
From: e1
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1)
> Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:40, Ruben Safir ha scritto:
>
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:36:58PM +0100, e1 wrote:
>>
>>> Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:32, Ruben Safir ha scritto:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why you can???t?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Gianluca Zamagni
>>>>
>>>
>>> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
>>>
>>> I want to see the name address and contact information for ???Dyne.org"
>>
>> How you can hide you personal information if you have even a Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books?
>>
>
> Not interested in double talk. Are you in charge of DYNE.ORG?
>
> Is Gianluca Zamagni => Jaromil?
>
> And if you aren't then don't waste everyones time.
Yeah, good way to don???t respond at all and close your ears, while screaming no sense.
I???m in charge to point out stupidity, everywhere, everytime, you know, everyone could do this, to save time for doing something useful, like forking a distro.
Regards,
Gianluca Zamagni
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:47:37 +0100
From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp"
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748)
Am Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 schrieb Sascha Mester:
> I'm not the maintainer of the Devuan project, but you find my name in
> the header though.
>
> And what the heck are now your advantages to know a name ( or the names
> by anyone here ) ?
>
> What's different from knowing names or knowing no names?
You need a persons real name to cast an actually working spell... or so I was told by a reliable source :-)
Nik
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA.
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:47:44 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: e1
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
> >
> > Is Gianluca Zamagni => Jaromil?
> >
> > And if you aren't then don't waste everyones time.
>
> Yeah, good way to don???t respond at all and close your ears, while screaming no sense.
>
> I???m in charge to point out stupidity, everywhere, everytime, you know, everyone could do this, to save time for doing something useful, like forking a distro.
>
No, your a scam artist as far as I can yet discern who can't answer a
straight question like, who are you. Do you run Dyne.org and are you
Jaromil.
Ruben
> Regards,
>
> Gianluca Zamagni
> _______________________________________________
> Dng mailing list
> Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
_______________________________________________
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Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Martijn Dekkers -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:47:47 +0200
From: Martijn Dekkers
To: dng
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
-at-ruben
Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't let
the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups
and free to make their own choices.
I also want to know who is who, and asked for it in a clear an polite way,
and was answered in a clear an polite way "trust us, soon we will let you
know", so I made the decision to do exactly that. That was my own choice.
Who are you (or anybody else for that manner) to drop in here and *demand*
this information? You can ask for it nicely, and if you don't like the
answer either way, then you are free to leave or stay as you see fit. can
you please quit the rabble-rousing in the meantime?
Thanks
-M
On 1 December 2014 at 19:40, mutek wrote:
> On luned?? 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>>
>>> Why you can???t?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gianluca Zamagni
>>>
>>>
>> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
>>
>> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org"
>>
>> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal
>> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities.
>>
>> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend
>> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any
>> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork.
>>
>
> probably this imply a little bit more patience please
> but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit unhidden
> information as you already seen here:
> "
> ...
> Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI
> Registrant Name:Denis Rojo
> Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation
> Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264
> Registrant City:Amsterdam
> Registrant State/Province:
> Registrant Postal Code:1016EV
> Registrant Country:NL
> Registrant Phone:+31.206237101
> Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant
> Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org
> Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI
> Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation
> Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation
> Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264
> Admin City:Amsterdam
> Admin State/Province:
> Admin Postal Code:1016 EV
> Admin Country:NL
> Admin Phone:+31.206237101
> Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423
> Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc8
> 32-152005-at-contact.gandi.net
> ...
> "
>
> there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name
>
> probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next
> days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :)
>
> make love
> no war
>
>
> m
> _______________________________________________
> Dng mailing list
> Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
>
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Stefan Ott -----
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:48:42 +0100
From: Stefan Ott
To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com, dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.0
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On 12/01/2014 06:32 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
>
> I want to see the name address and contact information for
> "Dyne.org"
>
> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal
> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and
> activities.
>
> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they
> intend to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become
> accountable for any moneys donated to them for the purpose of
> supporting such a fork.
Good for you. I want people to treat each other with respect and keep
conversations friendly. Seems we're both not getting what we want.
I'm sure the people behind all this also have other things in life to
do. Give them a few days.
Or go start your own fork with your own rules and scream at people on
your own mailing list.
- --
Stefan Ott
http://www.ott.net/
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Rudy Lorren -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:49:24 -0600
From: Rudy Lorren
To: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp"
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
;)
On Dec 1, 2014 11:47 AM, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote:
> Am Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 schrieb Sascha Mester:
> > I'm not the maintainer of the Devuan project, but you find my name in
> > the header though.
> >
> > And what the heck are now your advantages to know a name ( or the names
> > by anyone here ) ?
> >
> > What's different from knowing names or knowing no names?
>
> You need a persons real name to cast an actually working spell... or so I
> was told by a reliable source :-)
>
> Nik
>
>
>
> --
> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing
> with the NSA.
> _______________________________________________
> Dng mailing list
> Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
>
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Matteo Panella -----
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:54:13 +0100
From: Matteo Panella
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
On 01/12/2014 18:42, Ruben Safir wrote:
[various replies in various threads accusing multiple people of being
con artists]
Just so you know, publicly accusing people of running a con is a serious
thing: unless you have hard evidence, you're committing a felony in
almost every jurisdiction on Earth.
If I were you, I'd retract your accusations *RIGHT NOW* and ask for
project details in a more civilized manner.
(not so kind) Regards,
--
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Sascha Mester -----
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:54:52 +0100
From: Sascha Mester
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org, ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.2.0
Guys - don't feed the troll no longer.
Am 01.12.2014 um 18:49 schrieb Rudy Lorren:
>
> ;)
>
> On Dec 1, 2014 11:47 AM, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" > > wrote:
>
> Am Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 schrieb Sascha Mester:
> > I'm not the maintainer of the Devuan project, but you find my
> name in
> > the header though.
> >
> > And what the heck are now your advantages to know a name ( or
> the names
> > by anyone here ) ?
> >
> > What's different from knowing names or knowing no names?
>
> You need a persons real name to cast an actually working spell...
> or so I was told by a reliable source :-)
>
> Nik
>
>
>
> --
> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also
> sharing with the NSA.
> _______________________________________________
> Dng mailing list
> Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:56:07 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: Martijn Dekkers
Cc: dng
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:47:47PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> -at-ruben
>
> Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't let
> the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups
> and free to make their own choices.
>
Are you in charge of Dyne.org and collecting money for them.
I'm not interested in 500 words of theological garbage and nonsense. I
want to know who is getting the money being donated to a 'debian fork',
who that money is going to be spent, who is going to hold you copyrights
to the work being produced and who is going to have the admistrative
keys.
As of now, the answer is Dyne.org and Dyne.org has not produced any
records to identify itself.
I am sorely upset at the secrecy and the misdirection, starting with the
initial proclamation of get "Old Unix Admins". Unix has been dead and
buried by SCO and Caldera a long time now.
BTW - you are also generating trade marks, supposedly. How and who is
handling that?
Or is accountability just too much to ask for when someone solicitates
for funds from the public?
Ruben
> I also want to know who is who, and asked for it in a clear an polite way,
> and was answered in a clear an polite way "trust us, soon we will let you
> know", so I made the decision to do exactly that. That was my own choice.
>
> Who are you (or anybody else for that manner) to drop in here and *demand*
> this information? You can ask for it nicely, and if you don't like the
> answer either way, then you are free to leave or stay as you see fit. can
> you please quit the rabble-rousing in the meantime?
>
> Thanks
>
> -M
>
> On 1 December 2014 at 19:40, mutek wrote:
>
> > On luned?? 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> Why you can???t?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Gianluca Zamagni
> >>>
> >>>
> >> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
> >>
> >> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org"
> >>
> >> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal
> >> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities.
> >>
> >> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend
> >> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any
> >> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork.
> >>
> >
> > probably this imply a little bit more patience please
> > but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit unhidden
> > information as you already seen here:
> > "
> > ...
> > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> > Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI
> > Registrant Name:Denis Rojo
> > Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation
> > Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264
> > Registrant City:Amsterdam
> > Registrant State/Province:
> > Registrant Postal Code:1016EV
> > Registrant Country:NL
> > Registrant Phone:+31.206237101
> > Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant
> > Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org
> > Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI
> > Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation
> > Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation
> > Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264
> > Admin City:Amsterdam
> > Admin State/Province:
> > Admin Postal Code:1016 EV
> > Admin Country:NL
> > Admin Phone:+31.206237101
> > Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423
> > Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc8
> > 32-152005-at-contact.gandi.net
> > ...
> > "
> >
> > there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name
> >
> > probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next
> > days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :)
> >
> > make love
> > no war
> >
> >
> > m
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dng mailing list
> > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
> >
> _______________________________________________
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proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
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----- Forwarded message from Martijn Dekkers -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:58:19 +0200
From: Martijn Dekkers
To: Ruben Safir
Cc: dng
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
I think it is about time somebody takes his chill pills. I knew that
getting involved with OSS again would quickly exercise my ignore list :)
-M
On 1 December 2014 at 19:56, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:47:47PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > -at-ruben
> >
> > Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't
> let
> > the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups
> > and free to make their own choices.
> >
>
> Are you in charge of Dyne.org and collecting money for them.
>
> I'm not interested in 500 words of theological garbage and nonsense. I
> want to know who is getting the money being donated to a 'debian fork',
> who that money is going to be spent, who is going to hold you copyrights
> to the work being produced and who is going to have the admistrative
> keys.
>
> As of now, the answer is Dyne.org and Dyne.org has not produced any
> records to identify itself.
>
> I am sorely upset at the secrecy and the misdirection, starting with the
> initial proclamation of get "Old Unix Admins". Unix has been dead and
> buried by SCO and Caldera a long time now.
>
> BTW - you are also generating trade marks, supposedly. How and who is
> handling that?
>
> Or is accountability just too much to ask for when someone solicitates
> for funds from the public?
>
> Ruben
>
>
>
> > I also want to know who is who, and asked for it in a clear an polite
> way,
> > and was answered in a clear an polite way "trust us, soon we will let you
> > know", so I made the decision to do exactly that. That was my own choice.
> >
> > Who are you (or anybody else for that manner) to drop in here and
> *demand*
> > this information? You can ask for it nicely, and if you don't like the
> > answer either way, then you are free to leave or stay as you see fit. can
> > you please quit the rabble-rousing in the meantime?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -M
> >
> > On 1 December 2014 at 19:40, mutek wrote:
> >
> > > On luned?? 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> Why you can???t?
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Gianluca Zamagni
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up.
> > >>
> > >> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org"
> > >>
> > >> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal
> > >> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and
> activities.
> > >>
> > >> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they
> intend
> > >> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for
> any
> > >> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork.
> > >>
> > >
> > > probably this imply a little bit more patience please
> > > but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit
> unhidden
> > > information as you already seen here:
> > > "
> > > ...
> > > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> > > Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI
> > > Registrant Name:Denis Rojo
> > > Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation
> > > Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264
> > > Registrant City:Amsterdam
> > > Registrant State/Province:
> > > Registrant Postal Code:1016EV
> > > Registrant Country:NL
> > > Registrant Phone:+31.206237101
> > > Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant
> > > Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org
> > > Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI
> > > Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation
> > > Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation
> > > Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264
> > > Admin City:Amsterdam
> > > Admin State/Province:
> > > Admin Postal Code:1016 EV
> > > Admin Country:NL
> > > Admin Phone:+31.206237101
> > > Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423
> > > Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc8
> > > 32-152005-at-contact.gandi.net
> > > ...
> > > "
> > >
> > > there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name
> > >
> > > probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next
> > > days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :)
> > >
> > > make love
> > > no war
> > >
> > >
> > > m
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dng mailing list
> > > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
> > >
>
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
>
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
>
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Xiep -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:59:20 +0100
From: Xiep
To: Ruben Safir
Cc: mutek , dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
Ruben, man, relax.
If you don't trust dyne.org and Denis Roio (when there is sufficient evidence of its existence), you can forget Devuan and find another alternative. You're a little too nervous to a creative process that has just started, right?
regards,
xiep
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:42:43 -0500
Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > make love
> > no war
>
>
> FUCK LOVE
>
> I want transpancy and accountability.
>
> I hope that isn't being to Brooklyn for you to understand
>
> Who the hell is Denis Rojo and who runs Dyne Org.
>
> Ruben
>
> >
> > m
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dng mailing list
> > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org
> > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
> _______________________________________________
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----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:59:20 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: Matteo Panella
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:54:13PM +0100, Matteo Panella wrote:
> On 01/12/2014 18:42, Ruben Safir wrote:
> [various replies in various threads accusing multiple people of being
> con artists]
>
> Just so you know, publicly accusing people of running a con is a serious
GOOD
I'm right here at
1580 East 19th Street
In Brooklyn, USA
Apt 1E
Now who the hell is Dyne.
So far we have deception, deciet and a solicitation of funds..
That is a con....
Come get me, at least you know where I am and who I am.
Ruben
> thing: unless you have hard evidence, you're committing a felony in
> almost every jurisdiction on Earth.
>
> If I were you, I'd retract your accusations *RIGHT NOW* and ask for
> project details in a more civilized manner.
>
> (not so kind) Regards,
> --
> Matteo Panella
>
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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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----- Forwarded message from Jaromil -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:00:10 +0100
From: Jaromil
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Jaro Mail
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, e1 wrote:
> How you can hide you personal information if you have even a
> Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books?
> [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaromil
and that is probably the first thing that will get vandalized in the
next days :^) personal attacks seem to be a constant pattern when
dealing with systemd, from both factions. This is very sad and I think.
At least with debianfork we are managing to lower the exposition to
aggressive and ranting behaviours. We are doing our best to exercise our
freedom to do things and be constructive. lets keep working this way.
How much I hate moderation, this mailinglist has grown much and we are
even (honored to be) starred in a 4chan thread. I beg all the readers to
have patience for now. If this doesn't stops we will have to moderate
the traffic as an extraordinary measure (something we really don't do on
dyne.org lists, despite there were episodes in the past). I wish
Devuan's lists won't ever need moderation. However the listmasters will
decide about it as future lists will likely be hosted on Devuan's own
infrastructure.
ciao
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----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:04:12 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: hangout-at-nylxs.com
Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: fraud warning]
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:08:33 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Cc: Rick Moen
Subject: fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
After a little research, it apears that if a fork needs to take place,
you need to establish indpendent infrastructure immediately. This dyne
website and these sysadmin and annonymous and untrackable, and
unaccountable...
This project, if it is to be serious, needs to be constructed in a
business like fashion. There is a collection taking place in the name
of a systemd-less debian fork under dyne.org. UNACCEPTABLE.
Everything needs to STOP until project leaders with real names are
appointed and made accountable, and a new website and infrastructure is
developed.
Kumbayah and all that not withstanding, this is serious business, and
shouldn't be run by crackmonkeys hiding their identities.
Ruben Safir
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
----- End forwarded message -----
----- End forwarded message -----
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:05:07 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:59:20PM +0100, Xiep wrote:
> Ruben, man, relax.
>
> If you don't trust dyne.org and Denis Roio (when there is sufficient evidence of its existence), you can forget Devuan and find another alternative. You're a little too nervous to a creative process that has just started, right?
>
No
there is no public record of this person
As soon as you show me one and a means for accountability, I'll tip my
hat to you. I'm as upset about systemd and anyone but that doesn't mean
that one should expliot that and solicit funds without accountabilty
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