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http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:12:51 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: Jaromil Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:00:10PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, e1 wrote: > > > How you can hide you personal information if you have even a > > Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books? > > [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaromil > > and that is probably the first thing that will get vandalized in the > next days :^) personal attacks seem to be a constant pattern when > dealing with systemd, from both factions. This is very sad and I think. > Oh good. Now, who is Dyne.org? How is it governed? Who are you and are you in charge of dyne.org? How are you going to account for monies collected for a fork of debian? How is Devuan going to be organization? Who is its project leader? What is its structure? I'm still awaiting these most basic questions, starting with who are YOU, and what is your relationship to Dyne who is hosting this list and spearheading this project and soliciting money from the public? This is so simple. Its like, Hi, I'm Richard Stallman and I founded the FSF or Hi, I'm Linus Tovalds and I oversea the Linux Kernal and Here I am and my contact information. In my near 20 years of Free Software involvement I have NEVER seen such secrecary and nonsense by ANYONE who was solitiing money or work for any project. Ruben > At least with debianfork we are managing to lower the exposition to > aggressive and ranting behaviours. We are doing our best to exercise our > freedom to do things and be constructive. lets keep working this way. > > How much I hate moderation, this mailinglist has grown much and we are > even (honored to be) starred in a 4chan thread. I beg all the readers to > have patience for now. If this doesn't stops we will have to moderate > the traffic as an extraordinary measure (something we really don't do on > dyne.org lists, despite there were episodes in the past). I wish > Devuan's lists won't ever need moderation. However the listmasters will > decide about it as future lists will likely be hosted on Devuan's own > infrastructure. > > ciao > > -- > Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) > We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf > GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 > Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Miles Fidelman ----- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:09:30 -0500 From: Miles Fidelman CC: dng Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 Ruben Safir wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:47:47PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: >> -at-ruben >> >> Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't let >> the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups >> and free to make their own choices. >> > Are you in charge of Dyne.org and collecting money for them. > > I'm not interested in 500 words of theological garbage and nonsense. I > want to know who is getting the money being donated to a 'debian fork', > who that money is going to be spent, who is going to hold you copyrights > to the work being produced and who is going to have the admistrative > keys. > > As of now, the answer is Dyne.org and Dyne.org has not produced any > records to identify itself. > > I am sorely upset at the secrecy and the misdirection, starting with the > initial proclamation of get "Old Unix Admins". Unix has been dead and > buried by SCO and Caldera a long time now. > > Funny, I guess you've never heard of Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, z/OS, NEC, NCR, for that matter OS X - Open Group certified Unix all. Not to mention the BSD's and illmos distros. But then, you're a troll. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:05:07 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:59:20PM +0100, Xiep wrote: > Ruben, man, relax. > > If you don't trust dyne.org and Denis Roio (when there is sufficient evidence of its existence), you can forget Devuan and find another alternative. You're a little too nervous to a creative process that has just started, right? > No there is no public record of this person As soon as you show me one and a means for accountability, I'll tip my hat to you. I'm as upset about systemd and anyone but that doesn't mean that one should expliot that and solicit funds without accountabilty There is not a single positng yet here identifying dyne.org, or demonstrating any accountability to the project with is being undertaken. Ruben > regards, > > xiep > > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:42:43 -0500 > Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > > > > make love > > > no war > > > > > > FUCK LOVE > > > > I want transpancy and accountability. > > > > I hope that isn't being to Brooklyn for you to understand > > > > Who the hell is Denis Rojo and who runs Dyne Org. > > > > Ruben > > > > > > > > m > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dng mailing list > > > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > -- > > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > > > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive > > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! > > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, > > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > -- > Xiep -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Jaromil ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:00:10 +0100 From: Jaromil To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Jaro Mail On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, e1 wrote: > How you can hide you personal information if you have even a > Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books? > [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaromil and that is probably the first thing that will get vandalized in the next days :^) personal attacks seem to be a constant pattern when dealing with systemd, from both factions. This is very sad and I think. At least with debianfork we are managing to lower the exposition to aggressive and ranting behaviours. We are doing our best to exercise our freedom to do things and be constructive. lets keep working this way. How much I hate moderation, this mailinglist has grown much and we are even (honored to be) starred in a 4chan thread. I beg all the readers to have patience for now. If this doesn't stops we will have to moderate the traffic as an extraordinary measure (something we really don't do on dyne.org lists, despite there were episodes in the past). I wish Devuan's lists won't ever need moderation. However the listmasters will decide about it as future lists will likely be hosted on Devuan's own infrastructure. ciao -- Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Xiep ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:59:20 +0100 From: Xiep To: Ruben Safir Cc: mutek , dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Ruben, man, relax. If you don't trust dyne.org and Denis Roio (when there is sufficient evidence of its existence), you can forget Devuan and find another alternative. You're a little too nervous to a creative process that has just started, right? regards, xiep On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:42:43 -0500 Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > make love > > no war > > > FUCK LOVE > > I want transpancy and accountability. > > I hope that isn't being to Brooklyn for you to understand > > Who the hell is Denis Rojo and who runs Dyne Org. > > Ruben > > > > > m > > _______________________________________________ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > -- > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Xiep ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:59:20 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: Matteo Panella Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:54:13PM +0100, Matteo Panella wrote: > On 01/12/2014 18:42, Ruben Safir wrote: > [various replies in various threads accusing multiple people of being > con artists] > > Just so you know, publicly accusing people of running a con is a serious GOOD I'm right here at 1580 East 19th Street In Brooklyn, USA Apt 1E Now who the hell is Dyne. So far we have deception, deciet and a solicitation of funds.. That is a con.... Come get me, at least you know where I am and who I am. Ruben > thing: unless you have hard evidence, you're committing a felony in > almost every jurisdiction on Earth. > > If I were you, I'd retract your accusations *RIGHT NOW* and ask for > project details in a more civilized manner. > > (not so kind) Regards, > -- > Matteo Panella > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Martijn Dekkers ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:58:19 +0200 From: Martijn Dekkers To: Ruben Safir Cc: dng Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning I think it is about time somebody takes his chill pills. I knew that getting involved with OSS again would quickly exercise my ignore list :) -M On 1 December 2014 at 19:56, Ruben Safir wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:47:47PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > > -at-ruben > > > > Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't > let > > the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups > > and free to make their own choices. > > > > Are you in charge of Dyne.org and collecting money for them. > > I'm not interested in 500 words of theological garbage and nonsense. I > want to know who is getting the money being donated to a 'debian fork', > who that money is going to be spent, who is going to hold you copyrights > to the work being produced and who is going to have the admistrative > keys. > > As of now, the answer is Dyne.org and Dyne.org has not produced any > records to identify itself. > > I am sorely upset at the secrecy and the misdirection, starting with the > initial proclamation of get "Old Unix Admins". Unix has been dead and > buried by SCO and Caldera a long time now. > > BTW - you are also generating trade marks, supposedly. How and who is > handling that? > > Or is accountability just too much to ask for when someone solicitates > for funds from the public? > > Ruben > > > > > I also want to know who is who, and asked for it in a clear an polite > way, > > and was answered in a clear an polite way "trust us, soon we will let you > > know", so I made the decision to do exactly that. That was my own choice. > > > > Who are you (or anybody else for that manner) to drop in here and > *demand* > > this information? You can ask for it nicely, and if you don't like the > > answer either way, then you are free to leave or stay as you see fit. can > > you please quit the rabble-rousing in the meantime? > > > > Thanks > > > > -M > > > > On 1 December 2014 at 19:40, mutek wrote: > > > > > On lunedì 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > > >> > > >>> Why you can’t? > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> > > >>> Gianluca Zamagni > > >>> > > >>> > > >> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. > > >> > > >> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org" > > >> > > >> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal > > >> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and > activities. > > >> > > >> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they > intend > > >> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for > any > > >> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork. > > >> > > > > > > probably this imply a little bit more patience please > > > but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit > unhidden > > > information as you already seen here: > > > " > > > ... > > > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited > > > Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI > > > Registrant Name:Denis Rojo > > > Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation > > > Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264 > > > Registrant City:Amsterdam > > > Registrant State/Province: > > > Registrant Postal Code:1016EV > > > Registrant Country:NL > > > Registrant Phone:+31.206237101 > > > Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant > > > Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org > > > Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI > > > Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation > > > Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation > > > Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264 > > > Admin City:Amsterdam > > > Admin State/Province: > > > Admin Postal Code:1016 EV > > > Admin Country:NL > > > Admin Phone:+31.206237101 > > > Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423 > > > Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc8 > > > 32-152005-at-contact.gandi.net > > > ... > > > " > > > > > > there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name > > > > > > probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next > > > days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :) > > > > > > make love > > > no war > > > > > > > > > m > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dng mailing list > > > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > -- > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 > > ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:56:07 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: Martijn Dekkers Cc: dng Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:47:47PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > -at-ruben > > Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't let > the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups > and free to make their own choices. > Are you in charge of Dyne.org and collecting money for them. I'm not interested in 500 words of theological garbage and nonsense. I want to know who is getting the money being donated to a 'debian fork', who that money is going to be spent, who is going to hold you copyrights to the work being produced and who is going to have the admistrative keys. As of now, the answer is Dyne.org and Dyne.org has not produced any records to identify itself. I am sorely upset at the secrecy and the misdirection, starting with the initial proclamation of get "Old Unix Admins". Unix has been dead and buried by SCO and Caldera a long time now. BTW - you are also generating trade marks, supposedly. How and who is handling that? Or is accountability just too much to ask for when someone solicitates for funds from the public? Ruben > I also want to know who is who, and asked for it in a clear an polite way, > and was answered in a clear an polite way "trust us, soon we will let you > know", so I made the decision to do exactly that. That was my own choice. > > Who are you (or anybody else for that manner) to drop in here and *demand* > this information? You can ask for it nicely, and if you don't like the > answer either way, then you are free to leave or stay as you see fit. can > you please quit the rabble-rousing in the meantime? > > Thanks > > -M > > On 1 December 2014 at 19:40, mutek wrote: > > > On lunedì 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > >> > >>> Why you can’t? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Gianluca Zamagni > >>> > >>> > >> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. > >> > >> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org" > >> > >> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal > >> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities. > >> > >> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend > >> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any > >> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork. > >> > > > > probably this imply a little bit more patience please > > but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit unhidden > > information as you already seen here: > > " > > ... > > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited > > Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI > > Registrant Name:Denis Rojo > > Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation > > Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264 > > Registrant City:Amsterdam > > Registrant State/Province: > > Registrant Postal Code:1016EV > > Registrant Country:NL > > Registrant Phone:+31.206237101 > > Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant > > Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org > > Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI > > Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation > > Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation > > Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264 > > Admin City:Amsterdam > > Admin State/Province: > > Admin Postal Code:1016 EV > > Admin Country:NL > > Admin Phone:+31.206237101 > > Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423 > > Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc8 > > 32-152005-at-contact.gandi.net > > ... > > " > > > > there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name > > > > probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next > > days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :) > > > > make love > > no war > > > > > > m > > _______________________________________________ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Sascha Mester ----- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:54:52 +0100 From: Sascha Mester To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org, ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.2.0 Guys - don't feed the troll no longer. Am 01.12.2014 um 18:49 schrieb Rudy Lorren: > > ;) > > On Dec 1, 2014 11:47 AM, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" > > wrote: > > Am Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 schrieb Sascha Mester: > > I'm not the maintainer of the Devuan project, but you find my > name in > > the header though. > > > > And what the heck are now your advantages to know a name ( or > the names > > by anyone here ) ? > > > > What's different from knowing names or knowing no names? > > You need a persons real name to cast an actually working spell... > or so I was told by a reliable source :-) > > Nik > > > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also > sharing with the NSA. > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Matteo Panella ----- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:54:13 +0100 From: Matteo Panella To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning On 01/12/2014 18:42, Ruben Safir wrote: [various replies in various threads accusing multiple people of being con artists] Just so you know, publicly accusing people of running a con is a serious thing: unless you have hard evidence, you're committing a felony in almost every jurisdiction on Earth. If I were you, I'd retract your accusations *RIGHT NOW* and ask for project details in a more civilized manner. (not so kind) Regards, -- Matteo Panella _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Rudy Lorren ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:49:24 -0600 From: Rudy Lorren To: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning ;) On Dec 1, 2014 11:47 AM, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Am Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 schrieb Sascha Mester: > > I'm not the maintainer of the Devuan project, but you find my name in > > the header though. > > > > And what the heck are now your advantages to know a name ( or the names > > by anyone here ) ? > > > > What's different from knowing names or knowing no names? > > You need a persons real name to cast an actually working spell... or so I > was told by a reliable source :-) > > Nik > > > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing > with the NSA. > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Stefan Ott ----- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:48:42 +0100 From: Stefan Ott To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com, dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/01/2014 06:32 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > > No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. > > I want to see the name address and contact information for > "Dyne.org" > > I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal > non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and > activities. > > In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they > intend to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become > accountable for any moneys donated to them for the purpose of > supporting such a fork. Good for you. I want people to treat each other with respect and keep conversations friendly. Seems we're both not getting what we want. I'm sure the people behind all this also have other things in life to do. Give them a few days. Or go start your own fork with your own rules and scream at people on your own mailing list. - -- Stefan Ott http://www.ott.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUfKn6AAoJENlTbTnJZqYondEP/j8iaQ8zo7se+Dw+dyUaTuC2 D9OR7nrOqCZAU0u6GauT/Ksc8Y5yybxQrbypfUG6nVGaThPzrQTD/eYR/bVLRaN0 cEFsc9Cv75pTndOg4WDCXa+LWQxUbv8Jpe2KKHHDu6UO7hjSGDFv1D+eCNYSrMrB WTiq8TL6ArOasLFknkQPuIDo+PXaD8JKW51I3iTyWOuQ6n2WrGgE6qEFGoKCCJpP zym9U8Oj5dyLdX7HGf5HWY7nazMOtCtjST1wxa4LYLEOr+2OnoKAANJYGMENVVsi JFVIowZXNDXDgrYH7+RsU57TfKlMQodQ440cHld2sbiZAKF9tRGS5xs7+y6I3svL Uu7du5wUw+alELpuL9p/PX/hDEdo89+fZo5Uq3LQvAw3coM0lVbH9mW89rhUzrLq 7Ads0bTbbi2m1FIRLVYit045aoYa42I45XmNqGYJyaxI1qKWove59KwPBzzHTx3O RyhoJjOqltvD+dwIeISavrgMzQjD9ZDalVOnapHsQSVK5L4kuBeah5Wwf2HWjhfA rnnOolkuq3TGvohNn7DwgwxnhkMQgYMopS6Yjzjn9cc5p6LCsp1PFziQbUr/JKze D4NeZSGPAlwUw9nCrdYbymcIbV5jOt6/0welfanJUNN4JLmLy7fYeGTe2MMzk7by AkU5IDkHnlY6ez5/xxkp =Vjeb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Martijn Dekkers ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:47:47 +0200 From: Martijn Dekkers To: dng Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning -at-ruben Nobody is putting a gun to your head - you don't want to be here? Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Most people here appear to be grown-ups and free to make their own choices. I also want to know who is who, and asked for it in a clear an polite way, and was answered in a clear an polite way "trust us, soon we will let you know", so I made the decision to do exactly that. That was my own choice. Who are you (or anybody else for that manner) to drop in here and *demand* this information? You can ask for it nicely, and if you don't like the answer either way, then you are free to leave or stay as you see fit. can you please quit the rabble-rousing in the meantime? Thanks -M On 1 December 2014 at 19:40, mutek wrote: > On lunedì 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote: > >> >>> Why you can’t? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Gianluca Zamagni >>> >>> >> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. >> >> I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org" >> >> I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal >> non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities. >> >> In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend >> to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any >> moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork. >> > > probably this imply a little bit more patience please > but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit unhidden > information as you already seen here: > " > ... > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited > Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI > Registrant Name:Denis Rojo > Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation > Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264 > Registrant City:Amsterdam > Registrant State/Province: > Registrant Postal Code:1016EV > Registrant Country:NL > Registrant Phone:+31.206237101 > Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant > Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org > Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI > Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation > Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation > Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264 > Admin City:Amsterdam > Admin State/Province: > Admin Postal Code:1016 EV > Admin Country:NL > Admin Phone:+31.206237101 > Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423 > Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc8 > 32-152005-at-contact.gandi.net > ... > " > > there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name > > probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next > days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :) > > make love > no war > > > m > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:47:44 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: e1 Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) > > > > Is Gianluca Zamagni => Jaromil? > > > > And if you aren't then don't waste everyones time. > > Yeah, good way to don’t respond at all and close your ears, while screaming no sense. > > I’m in charge to point out stupidity, everywhere, everytime, you know, everyone could do this, to save time for doing something useful, like forking a distro. > No, your a scam artist as far as I can yet discern who can't answer a straight question like, who are you. Do you run Dyne.org and are you Jaromil. Ruben > Regards, > > Gianluca Zamagni > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:47:37 +0100 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748) Am Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 schrieb Sascha Mester: > I'm not the maintainer of the Devuan project, but you find my name in > the header though. > > And what the heck are now your advantages to know a name ( or the names > by anyone here ) ? > > What's different from knowing names or knowing no names? You need a persons real name to cast an actually working spell... or so I was told by a reliable source :-) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from e1 ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:45:15 +0100 From: e1 To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) > Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:40, Ruben Safir ha scritto: > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:36:58PM +0100, e1 wrote: >> >>> Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:32, Ruben Safir ha scritto: >>> >>>> >>>> Why you can’t? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Gianluca Zamagni >>>> >>> >>> No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. >>> >>> I want to see the name address and contact information for “Dyne.org" >> >> How you can hide you personal information if you have even a Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books? >> > > Not interested in double talk. Are you in charge of DYNE.ORG? > > Is Gianluca Zamagni => Jaromil? > > And if you aren't then don't waste everyones time. Yeah, good way to don’t respond at all and close your ears, while screaming no sense. I’m in charge to point out stupidity, everywhere, everytime, you know, everyone could do this, to save time for doing something useful, like forking a distro. Regards, Gianluca Zamagni _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:42:43 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: mutek Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) > > make love > no war FUCK LOVE I want transpancy and accountability. I hope that isn't being to Brooklyn for you to understand Who the hell is Denis Rojo and who runs Dyne Org. Ruben > > m > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:40:04 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: e1 Cc: Ruben Safir , dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:36:58PM +0100, e1 wrote: > > > Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:32, Ruben Safir ha scritto: > > > >> > >> Why you can’t? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Gianluca Zamagni > >> > > > > No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. > > > > I want to see the name address and contact information for “Dyne.org" > > How you can hide you personal information if you have even a Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books? > Not interested in double talk. Are you in charge of DYNE.ORG? Is Gianluca Zamagni => Jaromil? And if you aren't then don't waste everyones time. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaromil > > This is not enough probably, right? Now you will start acting like this page is made from one of us, right? LOL > > I’m start thinking that you are not able to use a search engine and discern information : > > Regards, > > Gianluca Zamagni -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from mutek ----- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:40:01 +0100 From: mutek To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Trojita/0.4.1; Qt/4.8.2; X11; Linux; Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy) On lunedì 1 dicembre 2014 18:32:45 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote: >> >> Why you can’t? >> >> Regards, >> >> Gianluca Zamagni >> > > No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. > > I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org" > > I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal > non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities. > > In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend > to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any > moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork. probably this imply a little bit more patience please but as far as I saw in the whois of dyne.org there are explicit unhidden information as you already seen here: " ... Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI Registrant Name:Denis Rojo Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264 Registrant City:Amsterdam Registrant State/Province: Registrant Postal Code:1016EV Registrant Country:NL Registrant Phone:+31.206237101 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264 Admin City:Amsterdam Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code:1016 EV Admin Country:NL Admin Phone:+31.206237101 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423 Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc832-152005-at-contact.gandi.net ... " there are Name,Surname,City,Street,Phone,email,organization name probably we need just more patience and see what happen in the next days...it cost nothing to wait a little bit more... :) make love no war m _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from e1 ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:36:58 +0100 From: e1 To: Ruben Safir Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) > Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:32, Ruben Safir ha scritto: > >> >> Why you can’t? >> >> Regards, >> >> Gianluca Zamagni >> > > No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. > > I want to see the name address and contact information for “Dyne.org" How you can hide you personal information if you have even a Wikipedia page about you and a dozen of books? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaromil This is not enough probably, right? Now you will start acting like this page is made from one of us, right? LOL I’m start thinking that you are not able to use a search engine and discern information : Regards, Gianluca Zamagni ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:36:25 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: mutek Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:32:01PM +0100, mutek wrote: > On lunedì 1 dicembre 2014 18:25:34 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote: > ... > >I've already looked at that. > > > >Who are YOU? Do you have a name. > > > >My name is Ruben Safir. > > > >What is Your Name... > > > >Where are you registers? Under who's name? In Amsterdamn? In Paris? > > > >Delaware? India? > > > > > > > >Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-29T14:02:12Z > sorry but, > is it so different from this? > YEAH, obvious. One is identifiable and even telephone numbers and a verifiable address and identitiy... and Dyne.org is NOT. See that: Board of Directors SPI is run by its Board of Directors and the officers they select. All current officers are also directors. SPI directors come from around the world and currently include citizens of Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, the United Kingdom and the United States. Listed below are the officers, directors and advisors along with their email addresses and, where relevant, their registered OFTC IRC nicks. Officers President Bdale Garbee (bdale) Vice-President Joerg Jaspert (Ganneff) Secretary Martin Michlmayr (tbm) Treasurer Michael Schultheiss (schultmc) Directors Robert Brockway (Solver) Joshua D. Drake (linuxhiker) Jonathan McDowell (Noodles) Gregers Petersen (glp) Martin Zobel-Helas (zobel) Legal Advisors Gregory Pomerantz Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) > whois debian.org > Domain Name:DEBIAN.ORG > Domain ID: D4227449-LROR > Creation Date: 1999-03-10T05:00:00Z > Updated Date: 2014-11-24T17:39:43Z > Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-10T05:00:00Z > Sponsoring Registrar:Gandi SAS (R42-LROR) > Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81 > WHOIS Server: Referral URL: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited > Registrant ID:SH4438-GANDI > Registrant Name:SPI Hostmaster > Registrant Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc. - > Debian Project > Registrant Street: P.O. Box 501248 > Registrant City:Indianapolis > Registrant State/Province:IN > Registrant Postal Code:46250-6248 > Registrant Country:US > Registrant Phone:+49.6619012303 > Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant > Email:hostmaster-at-spi-inc.org > Admin ID:SH4438-GANDI > Admin Name:SPI Hostmaster > Admin Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc. - Debian Project > Admin Street: P.O. Box 501248 > Admin City:Indianapolis > Admin State/Province:IN > Admin Postal Code:46250-6248 > Admin Country:US > Admin Phone:+49.6619012303 > Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: Admin Fax Ext: Admin > Email:hostmaster-at-spi-inc.org > Tech ID:DH3289-GANDI > Tech Name:Debian Hostmaster > Tech Organization: > Tech Street: P.O. Box 501248 > Tech City:Indianapolis > Tech State/Province: > Tech Postal Code:46250-6248 > Tech Country:US > Tech Phone:+43.6505121024 > Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: Tech Fax Ext: Tech > Email:hostmaster-at-debian.org > Name Server:DNS1.EASYDNS.COM > Name Server:DNS4.EASYDNS.INFO > Name Server:SEC1.RCODE0.NET > Name Server:SEC2.RCODE0.NET > Name Server:DEBIAN1.DNSNODE.NET > Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: > Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: DNSSEC:signedDelegation > DS Created 1:2014-01-11T09:51:50Z > DS Key Tag 1:15679 > Algorithm 1:8 > Digest Type 1:2 > Digest 1:9772F405C41274A78D724EA33457B0FF8850570E1D1DA969B7AB1133010A9A25 > DS Maximum Signature Life 1:1814400 seconds > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:32:45 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: e1 Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) > > Why you can’t? > > Regards, > > Gianluca Zamagni > No - it isn't actually, it is being covered up. I want to see the name address and contact information for "Dyne.org" I want the identification of the corperate business or other legal non-profit entity. I want access to your meeting notes and activities. In order words, I want to ***KNOW*** who dyne.org IS and how they intend to adminster a debian fork, and how they will become accountable for any moneys donated to them for the purpose of supporting such a fork. ALSO, no more cloak and dagger nonsense. Use your names, so we know who we are talking to. Ruben > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from mutek ----- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:32:01 +0100 From: mutek To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Trojita/0.4.1; Qt/4.8.2; X11; Linux; Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy) On lunedì 1 dicembre 2014 18:25:34 CEST, Ruben Safir wrote: ... > I've already looked at that. > > Who are YOU? Do you have a name. > > My name is Ruben Safir. > > What is Your Name... > > Where are you registers? Under who's name? In Amsterdamn? In Paris? > > Delaware? India? > > > > Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-29T14:02:12Z > Sponsoring Registrar:Gandi SAS (R42-LROR) > Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81 > WHOIS Server: > Referral URL: > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited > Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI > Registrant Name:Denis Rojo > Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation > Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264 > Registrant City:Amsterdam > Registrant State/Province: > Registrant Postal Code:1016EV > Registrant Country:NL > Registrant Phone:+31.206237101 > Registrant Phone Ext: > Registrant Fax: > Registrant Fax Ext: > Registrant Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org > Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI > Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation > Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation > Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264 > Admin City:Amsterdam > Admin State/Province: > Admin Postal Code:1016 EV > Admin Country:NL > Admin Phone:+31.206237101 > Admin Phone Ext: > Admin Fax: +31.206244423 > Admin Fax Ext: > Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc832-152005-at-contact.gandi.net > Tech ID:AR41-GANDI > Tech Name:Service Technique > Tech Organization:GANDI SARL > Tech Street: 63 - 65 Boulevard Massena > Tech City:Paris > Tech State/Province: > Tech Postal Code:75013 > Tech Country:FR > Tech Phone:+33.143737851 > Tech Phone Ext: > Tech Fax: > Tech Fax Ext: > Tech Email:support-at-gandi.net > Name Server:NS.DYNE.ORG > Name Server:NS2.DYNE.ORG > Name Server:NS3.DYNE.ORG > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > DNSSEC:Unsigned sorry but, is it so different from this? whois debian.org Domain Name:DEBIAN.ORG Domain ID: D4227449-LROR Creation Date: 1999-03-10T05:00:00Z Updated Date: 2014-11-24T17:39:43Z Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-10T05:00:00Z Sponsoring Registrar:Gandi SAS (R42-LROR) Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81 WHOIS Server: Referral URL: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Registrant ID:SH4438-GANDI Registrant Name:SPI Hostmaster Registrant Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc. - Debian Project Registrant Street: P.O. Box 501248 Registrant City:Indianapolis Registrant State/Province:IN Registrant Postal Code:46250-6248 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+49.6619012303 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email:hostmaster-at-spi-inc.org Admin ID:SH4438-GANDI Admin Name:SPI Hostmaster Admin Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc. - Debian Project Admin Street: P.O. Box 501248 Admin City:Indianapolis Admin State/Province:IN Admin Postal Code:46250-6248 Admin Country:US Admin Phone:+49.6619012303 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:hostmaster-at-spi-inc.org Tech ID:DH3289-GANDI Tech Name:Debian Hostmaster Tech Organization: Tech Street: P.O. Box 501248 Tech City:Indianapolis Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code:46250-6248 Tech Country:US Tech Phone:+43.6505121024 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email:hostmaster-at-debian.org Name Server:DNS1.EASYDNS.COM Name Server:DNS4.EASYDNS.INFO Name Server:SEC1.RCODE0.NET Name Server:SEC2.RCODE0.NET Name Server:DEBIAN1.DNSNODE.NET Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: DNSSEC:signedDelegation DS Created 1:2014-01-11T09:51:50Z DS Key Tag 1:15679 Algorithm 1:8 Digest Type 1:2 Digest 1:9772F405C41274A78D724EA33457B0FF8850570E1D1DA969B7AB1133010A9A25 DS Maximum Signature Life 1:1814400 seconds _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:28:30 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: Waschbüsch Martin Cc: Ruben Safir , dng-at-lists.dyne.org, Rick Moen Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:25:09PM +0100, Waschbüsch Martin wrote: > > > Am 01.12.2014 um 18:08 schrieb Ruben Safir : > > This is very simple and not rocket science. The individuals who are fronting this just need to step forward, make themselves publically knowable. Any legal entity involved needs to be documented in PLAIN language (English being a good one) and scrutenized. Who the hell is Richard Rojo? That is not RMS, that is for sure. > > > > After a little research, it apears that if a fork needs to take place, > > you need to establish indpendent infrastructure immediately. This dyne > > website and these sysadmin and annonymous and untrackable, and > > unaccountable... > > > > This project, if it is to be serious, needs to be constructed in a > > business like fashion. There is a collection taking place in the name > > of a systemd-less debian fork under dyne.org. UNACCEPTABLE. > > > > Everything needs to STOP until project leaders with real names are > > appointed and made accountable, and a new website and infrastructure is > > developed. > > > > Kumbayah and all that not withstanding, this is serious business, and > > shouldn't be run by crackmonkeys hiding their identities. > > If you believe this is a con, then why waste your time writing to the > list? If you really do not trut them at all and, on the contrary, > think they are a fraud, then what could they possibly say or do that > could convince you otherwise? > > "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason > away" -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from e1 ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:28:16 +0100 From: e1 To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) > Il giorno 01/dic/2014, alle ore 18:25, Ruben Safir ha scritto: > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:21:28PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: >> >> dear Ruben, >> >> noone is hiding identities in this very place where you are being able >> to publish your offensive rant. I'm not sure what makes an entity >> accountable in your world, however Dyne.org is a formally registered >> non-profit contributing to FOSS development since more than a decade. >> > > I've already looked at that. > > Who are YOU? Do you have a name. > > My name is Ruben Safir. > > What is Your Name... > > Where are you registers? Under who's name? In Amsterdamn? In Paris? > > Delaware? India? I can find this infos with just ONE query on Google, almost all of the info you ask are in the first page, even without open a link. Why you can’t? Regards, Gianluca Zamagni _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Sascha Mester ----- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:26:50 +0100 From: Sascha Mester To: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.2.0 I'm not the maintainer of the Devuan project, but you find my name in the header though. And what the heck are now your advantages to know a name ( or the names by anyone here ) ? What's different from knowing names or knowing no names? Am 01.12.2014 um 18:21 schrieb Jaromil: > dear Ruben, > > noone is hiding identities in this very place where you are being able > to publish your offensive rant. I'm not sure what makes an entity > accountable in your world, however Dyne.org is a formally registered > non-profit contributing to FOSS development since more than a decade. > > I'm its representative and I may take seriously your defamation. > > If you don't like this initiative, you are welcome to leave. > this is the link to follow: > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ciao > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng-at-lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir ----- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:25:34 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: Jaromil Cc: dng-at-lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] fraud warning User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:21:28PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > dear Ruben, > > noone is hiding identities in this very place where you are being able > to publish your offensive rant. I'm not sure what makes an entity > accountable in your world, however Dyne.org is a formally registered > non-profit contributing to FOSS development since more than a decade. > I've already looked at that. Who are YOU? Do you have a name. My name is Ruben Safir. What is Your Name... Where are you registers? Under who's name? In Amsterdamn? In Paris? Delaware? India? Registry Expiry Date: 2018-03-29T14:02:12Z Sponsoring Registrar:Gandi SAS (R42-LROR) Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81 WHOIS Server: Referral URL: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Registrant ID:0-1312612-GANDI Registrant Name:Denis Rojo Registrant Organization:dyne.org foundation Registrant Street: Keizersgracht 264 Registrant City:Amsterdam Registrant State/Province: Registrant Postal Code:1016EV Registrant Country:NL Registrant Phone:+31.206237101 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email:jaromil-at-dyne.org Admin ID:DFS3-GANDI Admin Name:Dyne.org Foundation Admin Organization:dyne.org foundation Admin Street: Keizersgracht 264 Admin City:Amsterdam Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code:1016 EV Admin Country:NL Admin Phone:+31.206237101 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +31.206244423 Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:fb9ad7aa0fc1c8033be1e1b8a61dc832-152005-at-contact.gandi.net Tech ID:AR41-GANDI Tech Name:Service Technique Tech Organization:GANDI SARL Tech Street: 63 - 65 Boulevard Massena Tech City:Paris Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code:75013 Tech Country:FR Tech Phone:+33.143737851 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email:support-at-gandi.net Name Server:NS.DYNE.ORG Name Server:NS2.DYNE.ORG Name Server:NS3.DYNE.ORG Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: DNSSEC:Unsigned > I'm its representative and I may take seriously your defamation. > > If you don't like this initiative, you are welcome to leave. > this is the link to follow: > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ciao > > > -- > Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) > We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf > GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 > Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng-at-lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhang 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: fraud warning] 2014-12-01 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jaromil-at-dyne.org: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [martin-at-waschbuesch.de: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jaromil-at-dyne.org: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [martin-at-waschbuesch.de: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [my-debian-mails-at-gmx.de: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [eagle1-at-maledet.to: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [mutek-at-riseup.net: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [eagle1-at-maledet.to: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [mutek-at-riseup.net: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [eagle1-at-maledet.to: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dr.klepp-at-gmx.at: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [devuan-list1-at-dekkers.org.uk: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [stefan-at-ott.net: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rueday37-at-gmail.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [m.panella-at-level28.org: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [my-debian-mails-at-gmx.de: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [devuan-list1-at-dekkers.org.uk: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jaromil-at-dyne.org: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [xiep-at-openmailbox.org: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [mfidelman-at-meetinghouse.net: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [martin-at-waschbuesch.de: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [my-debian-mails-at-gmx.de: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jaromil-at-dyne.org: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [mfidelman-at-meetinghouse.net: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [hellekin-at-dyne.org: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [hellekin-at-dyne.org: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [devuan-list1-at-dekkers.org.uk: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [mfidelman-at-meetinghouse.net: Re: [Dng] fraud warning] 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Notes on Memory Cache and Internal Memory 2014-12-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning 2014-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Linux Distribution 2014-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Computer Available 2014-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Reminder: webOS Cloud Services to end January 15, 2015 2014-12-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Notes Done on In and Out, Operating Systemsm Modules and Memoery 2014-12-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Foundation for OPTCODE and Machine Instruction 2014-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [LIU Comp Sci] Machine Instructions notes 2014-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Architecture 2014-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] CPU Instructions - Notes for Chapter 14 2014-12-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Assembler Class online and free 2014-12-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop madness 2014-12-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: turning attibute values into relations? 2014-12-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Invitation: Flatiron Alumni Present! 2014-12-12 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [csconnection-at-computer.org: Is 3D Printing for You?] 2014-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: Re: [LIU Comp Sci] Answers to the final review 2014-12-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] sky fy 2014-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Firefox 34? 2014-12-18 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] cowards 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linksys smart routes external connections 2014-12-20 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linksys smart routes external connections 2014-12-20 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linksys smart routes external connections 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM SOPA MPAA continuing advancement 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM SOPA MPAA continuing advancement 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM SOPA MPAA continuing advancement 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM SOPA MPAA continuing advancement 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM SOPA MPAA continuing advancement 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fighting back against the MPAA 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fighting back against the MPAA 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linksys smart routes external connections 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linksys smart routes external connections 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fraud Alerts 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fraud Alerts 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Devuan Fork and Fraud 2014-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DNS assualt by MPAA 2014-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jaromil-at-dyne.org: Re: [Dng] Devuan Fork and Fraud] 2014-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jonathan-at-plews.org.uk: Re: [Dng] Devuan Fork and Fraud] 2014-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] Devuan Fork and Fraud 2014-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jaromil-at-dyne.org: Re: [Dng] Devuan Fork and Fraud] 2014-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] Devuan Fork and Fraud 2014-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Devuan Fork and Fraud] 2014-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: [NYLXS - 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