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| DATE | 2014-09-28 |
| FROM | mrbrklyn@panix.com
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [wolfgang@rosenauer.org: Re: [opensuse] Running old version]
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----- Forwarded message from Wolfgang Rosenauer -----
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:36:16 +0200
From: Wolfgang Rosenauer
To: Timothy Butterworth
CC: openSUSE Distribution List
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Running old version
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Hi,
time to answer finally.
So as you probably know I'm the "founder" of Evergreen just in case.
Am 26.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Timothy Butterworth:
> If a new LTS release with a maintenance period of 5 release's + 6
> Month's was produced with a new version released every 4th release to
> provide a 1 release + 6 Month stabilizing testing and migration period
> overlap would you guys be more inclined to upgrade? It would mean
> upgrading around every 4.5 years.
>
> [...]
>
> More importantly is anyone interested in performing some of the work to
> make it because it would be a all community release?
Your ideas are quite ok. I actually always would liked to have an LTS
version maintained for say 5 years free of charge.
I discussed this years ago as well but people like to discuss with no
action being taken. That's why I just turned it around and started
Evergreen for 11.1 to see what can be done.
After 11.1, 11.2 and 11.4 I can tell you the following:
- no, it's not that much effort to continue maintenance up to 3 years
and probably a bit more
- it'll get hard starting from 3 years if you cannot do for example
service packs to upgrade parts which cannot be maintained anymore
- service packs are a big beast. Not sure if the community can or want
to help enough to get that tested and shipped.
- you need more people but they didn't show up during all the time
- we had some contributors for certain packages (don't know the
number but something in the range from 5-10) but almost all
monitoring and responsibility for everything which was not taken
by someone else was on two people (thanks Stefan)
- this was also the reason we had to end 11.4 maintenance after the
announced lifetime. It was getting to exhausting as a spare time
project
I'm totally proud what we achieved because it showed that it's not too
much effort but if you get too few people to help you are screwed.
That is also why the Evergreen plans for now are not going to change
unless I see changes in "resources". That might be more contributors or
also other incentives to increase the motivation of the volunteer ;-)
If we have a better understanding what resources are available we can
talk about what to change in the Evergreen/LTS structure. Discussing it,
and this is what I've learned, doesn't bring us anywhere. There are a
lot of people demanding it but practically almost noone want to invest
anything.
I'll enjoy to have a rest until Evergreen for 13.1 is starting again and
being able to do a few other things instead.
Wolfgang
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