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| DATE | 2013-06-11 |
| FROM | From: "Paul Robert Marino"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hardware repair
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From: "Paul Robert Marino"
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Except for the signature at the end my text looked completely readable in y=
our reply :-P
<=
br>
-serif; font-size: 12px;color: #999999;">-- Sent from my HP Pre3
<=
/span>>
On Jun 11, 2013 12:26 PM, Ruben Saf=
ir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at=
08:43:04AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:=0D
> Oh wait the guy who=
purposely broke his own mail client, preventing=0D
it from being compli=
ant with an RFC which is more than a decade=0D
old is saying my mail cli=
ent is broken. That's a good one. Is it=0D
missing a feature I would lik=
e, sure it is but there is nothing=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
Robert - plea=
se resend as text so this can be read. Thank you=0D
=0D
Ruben=0D
=
=0D
=0D
wrong with what its doing. HTML and has nothing to do with mi=
crosoft=0D
at all, in fact Microsoft had nothing to do with its creation=
or=0D
proliferation primarily you can thank CompuServe , AOL, and Netsc=
ape=0D
for that along with many others. The reason I mentioned Y2K is I=
=0D
was making a joke about the fact that I haven't seen a mail client=
=0D
which didn't support HTML as the body of an email since the 90s.=0D<=
br>Oh by the way I am NOT brain washed you see I base my opinions on=0D
=
technical matters on these things called RFC's you might want to=0D
try =
reading one some time. I don't base my opinions on the rants=0D
of some =
one who by his own admission broke his own mail client so=0D
it doesn't =
support a standard he doesn't like. Further more crayons=0D
are fun and =
when used appropriately can be very useful, so I say=0D
Hells Ya bring o=
n the crayola!<br><br><span style=3D"font-family:Prelude,=0D=
Verdana, san-serif;"><br><br></span><span id=3D=
"signature"><div=0D
style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-=
size: 12px;color:=0D
#999999;">-- Sent from my HP Pre3</div><=
;br></span><span style=3D"color:navy;=0D
font-family:Prelude=
, Verdana, san-serif; "><hr align=3D"left"=0D
style=3D"width:75%"&=
gt;On Jun 10, 2013 11:54 PM, Ruben Safir=0D
<mrbrklyn-at-panix.com&a=
mp;gt; wrote: <br><br></span>On Mon, Jun 10,=0D
2013 a=
t 06:45:24PM -0400, einker wrote:<br>> I'm getting' misty=0Dr>over all this Flame War behavior ... Almost makes me<br>> mi=
ss=0D
Jay<br>> I say almost<br>> <br><=
;br><br>No flame war. Paul=0D
just has a broken mailer on his =
pre phone and thinks<br>that is=0D
just OK.<br><br>His=
mailer has trouble with the ABCs and needs=0D
crayola colors to decorat=
e<br>his text. It is still broken. Paul=0D
has been brainwashed =
to think it is<br>ok to email msdoc files and=0D
whatever instead =
of text. There is no<br>winning this. I kindly=0D
asked him to s=
end text so i can read it and so<br>that the mailing=0D
list can b=
e properly indexed and searched.<br><br>If he doesn't=0D
wan=
t to, I'll ask again. I might even automate it<br>eventually.=0D
=
I assumed he was doing this on accident. It never occured<br>to=0Dr>me that our Paul, our beloved Paul Robert Marino, would think=0D
that=
<br>y2k compliance has to do with sending web documents through=0D>email, and<br>other redicules crap that makes it hard to read and=0D=
to work with.<br><br>Paul also thinks that I'm interested i=
n getting=0D
into a long debate on<br>mutts facilities and the mul=
tiple problems=0D
with reading regurgitated<br>crap from, BTW nons=
tandard, thml, and=0D
msdoc files.<br><br>But Paul is wrong.=
I asume paul is already=0D
aware of all these problems,<br>but h=
e is just too lazy to turn=0D
off the formater sending thingie he has.&l=
t;br><br>Regardless.<br><br>Right=0D
now I two kind=
s of users who email in gibberish formats: 1)=0D
Spammers,<br>and =
2) Paul.<br><br>One way or the other, soon there=0D
will be =
only one of the two, and<br>unfortunately, my money is on=0D
the s=
pammers :(<br><br><br><br><br>> <br=
>> On Mon, Jun 10,=0D
2013 at 6:39 PM, Paul Robert Marino=0Dr><prmarino1-at-gmail.com>wrote:<br>> <br>&am=
p;gt; > Ah ha so=0D
you admit it you're just being difficult for =
the sake of being<br>>=0D
> difficult. You purposely=
disabled the support for HTML messages=0D
in mutt.<br>> &a=
mp;gt; Well that's your own fault not mine! Just=0D
for that I will make=
all my<br>> > messages on hang out HTML=0D
as a pro=
test till you accept the fact that its<br>> > not=0D>the 80s any more and you're just going to have to deal with=0D
it.<b=
r>> ><br>> > By the way is everyone at=
least=0D
getting a chuckle out of this good old<br>> &=
gt; fashion flame=0D
war goodness.<br>> ><br>&=
amp;gt; ><br>> ><br>> >=0Dr>-- Sent from my HP Pre3<br>> ><br>> &=
;gt;=0D
------------------------------<br>> > On Jun=
10, 2013 6:07=0D
PM, Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> wro=
te:<br>> ><br>>=0D
> On Mon, Jun=
10, 2013 at 12:30:06PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino=0D
wrote:<br>&am=
p;gt; > > Oh wait mutt does support HTML body in=0D
emails=
via lynx or your choice<br>> > > of other conso=
le=0D
based browsers you just don't have it configured!<br>>=
; >=0D
><br>> > >=0D
http://=
www.debian-administration.org/articles/75<br>> ><br&=
gt;>=0D
><br>> > Don't be so naive Rob=
ert. I disabled it a long=0D
time ago<br>> ><br&g=
t;> > ><br>> > ><br>&=
amp;gt;=0D
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Paul Robe=
rt Marino<br>>=0D
> > <prmarino1-at-gmail=
=2Ecom> wrote:<br>> > > >=0D
Ru=
bin<br>> > > > huh?<br>> &am=
p;gt; > > who cares=0D
if the content is "plain text" as l=
ong as it renders that<br>>=0D
> > > w=
ay on the console.<br>> > > > lynx is=0D<=
br>a console web browser no X11 required, and it works well over<br>&=
amp;gt;=0D
> > > ssh so I don't get your point.<=
br>> > >=0D
> lynx is not a new piece sof=
tware its been around for a long=0D
time as a<br>> >=
> > matter of fact the changelog for=0D
version 2.3 goes =
back to 1992, so<br>> > > > none of=0D>this is new or even a radical concept.<br>> > >=
><br>>=0D
> > ><br>&=
gt; > > ><br>> > > >=
<br>>=0D
> > ><br>> &=
gt; > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:25=0D
AM, Ruben Safir &a=
mp;lt;mrbrklyn-at-panix.com><br>> > wrote:<br>=
;>=0D
> > >> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at =
05:13:48PM -0400, Paul=0D
Robert Marino wrote:<br>> >=
; > >>> On Sun, Jun 9,=0D
2013 at 4:36 PM, R=
uben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com><br>>=0D
&=
gt; wrote:<br>> > > >>> &am=
p;gt; On Sun, Jun 09,=0D
2013 at 03:03:46PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino<=
;br>> > wrote:<br>>=0D
> > &=
amp;gt;>> >> Rubin<br>> > &=
amp;gt; >>>=0D
>> get an email client=
which has been updated since Y2K=0D
please...<br>> >=
; :-)<br>> > > >>> >=
<br>>=0D
> > >>> >=
;<br>> > > >>> >=0D<=
br>the last mutt release was 2010. It works fine. You can read<br>&am=
p;gt;=0D
> everything<br>> > > >=
;>> > I send you.<br>>=0D
> &am=
p;gt; >>><br>> > > >=
>> Really then=0D
why cant it do some thing smart like rec=
ognize the mime<br>>=0D
> > >>&=
amp;gt; encoding and use lynx or any one of the=0D
hundreds of C librari=
es for<br>> > > >>> HTML/XM=
L=0D
to format it in your terminal correctly?<br>> >=
>=0D
>>><br>> > >=
; >><br>> > >=0D
>&g=
t;<br>> > > >> because then it wou=
ldn't be=0D
plain text.<br>> > > >&=
;gt;<br>> > > >><br>>=
=0D
> > >>><br>> >=
; > >>> ><br>>=0D
&g=
t; > >>> > Y2K is no reason to get globs=
of=0D
unformated binary data as email.<br>> > &=
gt; >>>=0D
> I'm not trying to discorage you=
from posting, but it you want=0D
your<br>> > email&=
lt;br>> > > >>> > read,=
=0D
it needs to be plain text, and why in your right mind would<br>=
;>=0D
> you<br>> > > >&a=
mp;gt;> > chose to send anything=0D
else. This is not that=
my mutt email reader<br>> > >=0D
>&am=
p;gt;> > which I SSH to a terminal from, has problems.=0D
=
Your sending<br>> > unproperly<br>> &g=
t; > >>>=0D
> formated emails.<br&=
gt;> > > >>><br>> &a=
mp;gt;=0D
> >>> HTML=3D! Binary<br>&am=
p;gt; > > >>><br>>=0D
&a=
mp;gt; > >>> HTML =3D~ Well Formatted<br>=
> > >=0D
>>><br>>=
> > >>> Don't blame others or=0D
HTM=
L because your email client of choice is<br>> > one<=
br>>=0D
> > >>> of the few =
relic still in use in the world=0D
that isnt RFC compliant<br>&=
;gt; > > >>>=0D
http://tools.ietf.org=
/html/rfc2045<br>> > > >>>=
=0D
"<br>> > > >>> Multi=
purpose Internet Mail=0D
Extensions<br>> > > =
>>> (MIME) Part One:<br>>=0D
> =
> >>> Format of Internet Message Bodies<br&g=
t;>=0D
> > >>> "<br>&=
;gt; > > >>><br>>=0D
&am=
p;gt; > >>> The oldest version of the standard =
is from=0D
1993 the one i sent you<br>> > the<br&=
gt;> > > >>>=0D
link to is fro=
m 1996 the only updates to the standard since=0D
1997<br>> =
> have<br>> > > >>> =
been the=0D
addition of internationalization headers in 2008 and a<br=
>> >=0D
> >>> revision to t=
he internationalization headers in=0D
2012.<br>> > &=
amp;gt; >>><br>> > > &g=
t;>><br>>=0D
> > >&g=
t;> ><br>> > > >>&am=
p;gt; > It=0D
does hell to the database as well.<br>>=
; > > >>><br>>=0D
&g=
t; > >>> Use one of the standard escaping metho=
ds.<br>>=0D
> > >>><b=
r>> > > >>> ><br>=
>=0D
> > >>> > It also =
dickers around with the spam=0D
filters.<br>> > &=
;gt; >>> ><br>> > >=
=0D
>>><br>> > > >=
;>> Which one are you using?=0D
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feated by HTML in<br>> > >=0D
>>=
;> this day and age its got some serious problems.<br>>=
=0D
> > >>><br>> >=
; > >>><br>> >=0D
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mp;gt;>> ><br>>=0D
> > &=
amp;gt;>> ><br>> > > &g=
t;>> >>=0D
Seriously Netscape communicators =
mail client can read them so=0D
why<br>> > can't<=
br>> > > >>> >>=
=0D
yours.<br>> > > >>> =
>><br>> > >=0D
>>=
> >> Its mime encoded HTML its not as though I'm=0D>GPG encrypting my<br>> > emails which<br>>=
; > >=0D
>>> >> oddly I=
have seen people do on mailing lists=0D
before.<br>> &=
gt; > >>> >><br>> &a=
mp;gt; >=0D
>>> >><br>&a=
mp;gt; > > >>> >>=0D
fu=
rther more Rubin why are you trying to hack an HP Touch Pad.<br>&=
gt;=0D
> > >>> >> You c=
an't put GNU/Linux on it or=0D
open webOS/Linux because the<br>&am=
p;gt; > video card<br>> >=0D
> >=
;>> >> needs proprietary drivers.<br>&=
;gt; >=0D
> >>> >> I lo=
oked in to it a while ago and while=0D
I love Palm phones I<br>&am=
p;gt; > wanted to be<br>> > >=0D
&=
gt;>> >> able to updated the OS and apps on my =
Pre 3=0D
and found I couldn't.<br>> > > &=
gt;>> >><br>>=0D
> &=
gt; >>> >> There are some updates in the=
=0D
community app store but since the<br>> > platfor=
m is<br>>=0D
> > >>> &am=
p;gt;> mostly dead most of the new ones=0D
won't work on webOS 2.=
0 or 3.0.<br>> > Some apps<br>> >=
=0D
> >>> >> are being develop=
ed on Open webOS 1.x=0D
but not many.<br>> > >=
; >>> >><br>> >=0Dr>> >>> >><br>> &=
;gt; > >>>=0D
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;gt; > > >>> >><br>&=
amp;gt; > >=0D
>>> >> O=
n Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Ruben Safir=0D
<mrbrklyn-at-panix.com=
><br>> > wrote:<br>> > &=
gt;=0D
>>> >><br>> &=
gt; > >>> >> >=0D
On Su=
n, Jun 09, 2013 at 02:49:10PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino<br>>=
=0D
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; >>> >> ><br>> &=
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;=0D
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;=0D
>> > please... :-)&nbsp;<br&=
;gt;Seriously Netscape=0D
communicators mail<br>> > =
client can<br>> > >=0D
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t; >> > read them so why can't=0D
yours.&nb=
sp;<br><br>Its mime encoded<br>> &=
amp;gt;=0D
HTML its<br>> > > >>=
> >> > &nbsp;not=0D
as though I'm GP=
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amp;gt; > people do=0D
on mailing lists before.<br>=
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> style=3D"font-family: arial, s=
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Sent from my HP Pre3</div>&=
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On Jun 11, 2013 12:26 PM, Ruben Saf=
ir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at=
08:43:04AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:=0D
> Oh wait the guy who=
purposely broke his own mail client, preventing=0D
it from being compli=
ant with an RFC which is more than a decade=0D
old is saying my mail cli=
ent is broken. That's a good one. Is it=0D
missing a feature I would lik=
e, sure it is but there is nothing=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
Robert - plea=
se resend as text so this can be read. Thank you=0D
=0D
Ruben=0D
=
=0D
=0D
wrong with what its doing. HTML and has nothing to do with mi=
crosoft=0D
at all, in fact Microsoft had nothing to do with its creation=
or=0D
proliferation primarily you can thank CompuServe , AOL, and Netsc=
ape=0D
for that along with many others. The reason I mentioned Y2K is I=
=0D
was making a joke about the fact that I haven't seen a mail client=
=0D
which didn't support HTML as the body of an email since the 90s.=0D<=
br>Oh by the way I am NOT brain washed you see I base my opinions on=0D
=
technical matters on these things called RFC's you might want to=0D
try =
reading one some time. I don't base my opinions on the rants=0D
of some =
one who by his own admission broke his own mail client so=0D
it doesn't =
support a standard he doesn't like. Further more crayons=0D
are fun and =
when used appropriately can be very useful, so I say=0D
Hells Ya bring o=
n the crayola!<br><br><span style=3D"font-family:Prelude,=0D=
Verdana, san-serif;"><br><br></span><span id=3D=
"signature"><div=0D
style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-=
size: 12px;color:=0D
#999999;">-- Sent from my HP Pre3</div><=
;br></span><span style=3D"color:navy;=0D
font-family:Prelude=
, Verdana, san-serif; "><hr align=3D"left"=0D
style=3D"width:75%"&=
gt;On Jun 10, 2013 11:54 PM, Ruben Safir=0D
<mrbrklyn-at-panix.com&a=
mp;gt; wrote: <br><br></span>On Mon, Jun 10,=0D
2013 a=
t 06:45:24PM -0400, einker wrote:<br>> I'm getting' misty=0Dr>over all this Flame War behavior ... Almost makes me<br>> mi=
ss=0D
Jay<br>> I say almost<br>> <br><=
;br><br>No flame war. Paul=0D
just has a broken mailer on his =
pre phone and thinks<br>that is=0D
just OK.<br><br>His=
mailer has trouble with the ABCs and needs=0D
crayola colors to decorat=
e<br>his text. It is still broken. Paul=0D
has been brainwashed =
to think it is<br>ok to email msdoc files and=0D
whatever instead =
of text. There is no<br>winning this. I kindly=0D
asked him to s=
end text so i can read it and so<br>that the mailing=0D
list can b=
e properly indexed and searched.<br><br>If he doesn't=0D
wan=
t to, I'll ask again. I might even automate it<br>eventually.=0D
=
I assumed he was doing this on accident. It never occured<br>to=0Dr>me that our Paul, our beloved Paul Robert Marino, would think=0D
that=
<br>y2k compliance has to do with sending web documents through=0D>email, and<br>other redicules crap that makes it hard to read and=0D=
to work with.<br><br>Paul also thinks that I'm interested i=
n getting=0D
into a long debate on<br>mutts facilities and the mul=
tiple problems=0D
with reading regurgitated<br>crap from, BTW nons=
tandard, thml, and=0D
msdoc files.<br><br>But Paul is wrong.=
I asume paul is already=0D
aware of all these problems,<br>but h=
e is just too lazy to turn=0D
off the formater sending thingie he has.&l=
t;br><br>Regardless.<br><br>Right=0D
now I two kind=
s of users who email in gibberish formats: 1)=0D
Spammers,<br>and =
2) Paul.<br><br>One way or the other, soon there=0D
will be =
only one of the two, and<br>unfortunately, my money is on=0D
the s=
pammers :(<br><br><br><br><br>> <br=
>> On Mon, Jun 10,=0D
2013 at 6:39 PM, Paul Robert Marino=0Dr><prmarino1-at-gmail.com>wrote:<br>> <br>&am=
p;gt; > Ah ha so=0D
you admit it you're just being difficult for =
the sake of being<br>>=0D
> difficult. You purposely=
disabled the support for HTML messages=0D
in mutt.<br>> &a=
mp;gt; Well that's your own fault not mine! Just=0D
for that I will make=
all my<br>> > messages on hang out HTML=0D
as a pro=
test till you accept the fact that its<br>> > not=0D>the 80s any more and you're just going to have to deal with=0D
it.<b=
r>> ><br>> > By the way is everyone at=
least=0D
getting a chuckle out of this good old<br>> &=
gt; fashion flame=0D
war goodness.<br>> ><br>&=
amp;gt; ><br>> ><br>> >=0Dr>-- Sent from my HP Pre3<br>> ><br>> &=
;gt;=0D
------------------------------<br>> > On Jun=
10, 2013 6:07=0D
PM, Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> wro=
te:<br>> ><br>>=0D
> On Mon, Jun=
10, 2013 at 12:30:06PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino=0D
wrote:<br>&am=
p;gt; > > Oh wait mutt does support HTML body in=0D
emails=
via lynx or your choice<br>> > > of other conso=
le=0D
based browsers you just don't have it configured!<br>>=
; >=0D
><br>> > >=0D
http://=
www.debian-administration.org/articles/75<br>> ><br&=
gt;>=0D
><br>> > Don't be so naive Rob=
ert. I disabled it a long=0D
time ago<br>> ><br&g=
t;> > ><br>> > ><br>&=
amp;gt;=0D
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Paul Robe=
rt Marino<br>>=0D
> > <prmarino1-at-gmail=
=2Ecom> wrote:<br>> > > >=0D
Ru=
bin<br>> > > > huh?<br>> &am=
p;gt; > > who cares=0D
if the content is "plain text" as l=
ong as it renders that<br>>=0D
> > > w=
ay on the console.<br>> > > > lynx is=0D<=
br>a console web browser no X11 required, and it works well over<br>&=
amp;gt;=0D
> > > ssh so I don't get your point.<=
br>> > >=0D
> lynx is not a new piece sof=
tware its been around for a long=0D
time as a<br>> >=
> > matter of fact the changelog for=0D
version 2.3 goes =
back to 1992, so<br>> > > > none of=0D>this is new or even a radical concept.<br>> > >=
><br>>=0D
> > ><br>&=
gt; > > ><br>> > > >=
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gt; > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:25=0D
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> > >> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at =
05:13:48PM -0400, Paul=0D
Robert Marino wrote:<br>> >=
; > >>> On Sun, Jun 9,=0D
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uben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com><br>>=0D
&=
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p;gt; On Sun, Jun 09,=0D
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> > &=
amp;gt;>> >> Rubin<br>> > &=
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p;gt;=0D
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;>> > I send you.<br>>=0D
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=0D
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my mutt email reader<br>> > >=0D
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