MESSAGE
| DATE | 2013-06-11 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hardware repair
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:43:04AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> Oh wait the guy who purposely broke his own mail client, preventing
it from being compliant with an RFC which is more than a decade
old is saying my mail client is broken. That's a good one. Is it
missing a feature I would like, sure it is but there is nothing
Robert - please resend as text so this can be read. Thank you
Ruben
wrong with what its doing. HTML and has nothing to do with microsoft
at all, in fact Microsoft had nothing to do with its creation or
proliferation primarily you can thank CompuServe , AOL, and Netscape
for that along with many others. The reason I mentioned Y2K is I
was making a joke about the fact that I haven't seen a mail client
which didn't support HTML as the body of an email since the 90s.
Oh by the way I am NOT brain washed you see I base my opinions on
technical matters on these things called RFC's you might want to
try reading one some time. I don't base my opinions on the rants
of some one who by his own admission broke his own mail client so
it doesn't support a standard he doesn't like. Further more crayons
are fun and when used appropriately can be very useful, so I say
Hells Ya bring on the crayola!
style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;color:
#999999;">-- Sent from my HP Pre3
style="width:75%">On Jun 10, 2013 11:54 PM, Ruben Safir
<mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 10,
2013 at 06:45:24PM -0400, einker wrote:
> I'm getting' misty
over all this Flame War behavior ... Almost makes me
> miss
Jay
> I say almost
>
No flame war. Paul
just has a broken mailer on his pre phone and thinks
that is
just OK.
His mailer has trouble with the ABCs and needs
crayola colors to decorate
his text. It is still broken. Paul
has been brainwashed to think it is
ok to email msdoc files and
whatever instead of text. There is no
winning this. I kindly
asked him to send text so i can read it and so
that the mailing
list can be properly indexed and searched.
If he doesn't
want to, I'll ask again. I might even automate it
eventually.
I assumed he was doing this on accident. It never occured
to
me that our Paul, our beloved Paul Robert Marino, would think
that
y2k compliance has to do with sending web documents through
email, and
other redicules crap that makes it hard to read and
to work with.
Paul also thinks that I'm interested in getting
into a long debate on
mutts facilities and the multiple problems
with reading regurgitated
crap from, BTW nonstandard, thml, and
msdoc files.
But Paul is wrong. I asume paul is already
aware of all these problems,
but he is just too lazy to turn
off the formater sending thingie he has.
Regardless.
Right
now I two kinds of users who email in gibberish formats: 1)
Spammers,
and 2) Paul.
One way or the other, soon there
will be only one of the two, and
unfortunately, my money is on
the spammers :(
>
> On Mon, Jun 10,
2013 at 6:39 PM, Paul Robert Marino
<prmarino1-at-gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Ah ha so
you admit it you're just being difficult for the sake of being
>
> difficult. You purposely disabled the support for HTML messages
in mutt.
> > Well that's your own fault not mine! Just
for that I will make all my
> > messages on hang out HTML
as a protest till you accept the fact that its
> > not
the 80s any more and you're just going to have to deal with
it.
> >
> > By the way is everyone at least
getting a chuckle out of this good old
> > fashion flame
war goodness.
> >
> >
> >
> >
-- Sent from my HP Pre3
> >
> >
------------------------------
> > On Jun 10, 2013 6:07
PM, Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> wrote:
> >
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:30:06PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino
wrote:
> > > Oh wait mutt does support HTML body in
emails via lynx or your choice
> > > of other console
based browsers you just don't have it configured!
> >
>
> > >
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/75
> >
>
>
> > Don't be so naive Robert. I disabled it a long
time ago
> >
> > >
> > >
>
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Paul Robert Marino
>
> > <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
Rubin
> > > > huh?
> > > > who cares
if the content is "plain text" as long as it renders that
>
> > > way on the console.
> > > > lynx is
a console web browser no X11 required, and it works well over
>
> > > ssh so I don't get your point.
> > >
> lynx is not a new piece software its been around for a long
time as a
> > > > matter of fact the changelog for
version 2.3 goes back to 1992, so
> > > > none of
this is new or even a radical concept.
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:25
AM, Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 05:13:48PM -0400, Paul
Robert Marino wrote:
> > > >>> On Sun, Jun 9,
2013 at 4:36 PM, Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>
>
> wrote:
> > > >>> > On Sun, Jun 09,
2013 at 03:03:46PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino
> > wrote:
>
> > >>> >> Rubin
> > > >>>
>> get an email client which has been updated since Y2K
please...
> > :-)
> > > >>> >
>
> > >>> >
> > > >>> >
the last mutt release was 2010. It works fine. You can read
>
> everything
> > > >>> > I send you.
>
> > >>>
> > > >>> Really then
why cant it do some thing smart like recognize the mime
>
> > >>> encoding and use lynx or any one of the
hundreds of C libraries for
> > > >>> HTML/XML
to format it in your terminal correctly?
> > >
>>>
> > > >>
> > >
>>
> > > >> because then it wouldn't be
plain text.
> > > >>
> > > >>
>
> > >>>
> > > >>> >
>
> > >>> > Y2K is no reason to get globs of
unformated binary data as email.
> > > >>>
> I'm not trying to discorage you from posting, but it you want
your
> > email
> > > >>> > read,
it needs to be plain text, and why in your right mind would
>
> you
> > > >>> > chose to send anything
else. This is not that my mutt email reader
> > >
>>> > which I SSH to a terminal from, has problems.
Your sending
> > unproperly
> > > >>>
> formated emails.
> > > >>>
> >
> >>> HTML=! Binary
> > > >>>
>
> > >>> HTML =~ Well Formatted
> > >
>>>
> > > >>> Don't blame others or
HTML because your email client of choice is
> > one
>
> > >>> of the few relic still in use in the world
that isnt RFC compliant
> > > >>>
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2045
> > > >>>
"
> > > >>> Multipurpose Internet Mail
Extensions
> > > >>> (MIME) Part One:
>
> > >>> Format of Internet Message Bodies
>
> > >>> "
> > > >>>
>
> > >>> The oldest version of the standard is from
1993 the one i sent you
> > the
> > > >>>
link to is from 1996 the only updates to the standard since
1997
> > have
> > > >>> been the
addition of internationalization headers in 2008 and a
> >
> >>> revision to the internationalization headers in
2012.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
>
> > >>> >
> > > >>> > It
does hell to the database as well.
> > > >>>
>
> > >>> Use one of the standard escaping methods.
>
> > >>>
> > > >>> >
>
> > >>> > It also dickers around with the spam
filters.
> > > >>> >
> > >
>>>
> > > >>> Which one are you using?
If a spam filter can be defeated by HTML in
> > >
>>> this day and age its got some serious problems.
>
> > >>>
> > > >>>
> >
> >>> >
> > > >>> >
>
> > >>> >
> > > >>> >>
Seriously Netscape communicators mail client can read them so
why
> > can't
> > > >>> >>
yours.
> > > >>> >>
> > >
>>> >> Its mime encoded HTML its not as though I'm
GPG encrypting my
> > emails which
> > >
>>> >> oddly I have seen people do on mailing lists
before.
> > > >>> >>
> > >
>>> >>
> > > >>> >>
further more Rubin why are you trying to hack an HP Touch Pad.
>
> > >>> >> You can't put GNU/Linux on it or
open webOS/Linux because the
> > video card
> >
> >>> >> needs proprietary drivers.
> >
> >>> >> I looked in to it a while ago and while
I love Palm phones I
> > wanted to be
> > >
>>> >> able to updated the OS and apps on my Pre 3
and found I couldn't.
> > > >>> >>
>
> > >>> >> There are some updates in the
community app store but since the
> > platform is
>
> > >>> >> mostly dead most of the new ones
won't work on webOS 2.0 or 3.0.
> > Some apps
> >
> >>> >> are being developed on Open webOS 1.x
but not many.
> > > >>> >>
> >
> >>> >>
> > > >>>
>>
> > > >>> >>
> > >
>>> >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Ruben Safir
<mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
>>> >>
> > > >>> >> >
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 02:49:10PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino
>
> wrote:
> > > >>> >> >
>
> > >>> >> >
> > > >>>
>> >
> > > >>> >> >
>
> > >>> >> > Maybe you can install this on
your hand held thingie?
> > > >>> >>
>
> > > >>> >> >
> > >
>>> >> > http://www.mutt.org/
> > >
>>> >> >
> > > >>> >>
>
> > > >>> >> >
> > >
>>> >> >
> > > >>> >>
>
> > > >>> >> > >
Rubin<br> get an email client which has been
updated
> > since Y2K
> > > >>>
>> > please... :-) <br>Seriously Netscape
communicators mail
> > client can
> > >
>>> >> > read them so why can't
yours. <br><br>Its mime encoded
> >
HTML its
> > > >>> >> > not
as though I'm GPG encrypting my emails which oddly I
> >
have seen
> > > >>> >> > people do
on mailing lists before.<br><br><span
> >
style="font-family:Prelude,
> > > >>> >>
> Verdana, san-serif;"><br><br></span><span
id="signature"><div
> > > >>> >>
> style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;color:
>
> #999999;">--
> > > >>> >> >
Sent from my HP Pre3</div><br></span><span
style="color:navy;
> > > >>> >> >
font-family:Prelude, Verdana, san-serif; "><hr align="left"
>
> > >>> >> > style="width:75%">On Jun
9, 2013 2:14 PM, Ruben Safir &
> > > >>>
>> > lt;mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> wrote:
<br><br></span>On Sun, Jun
> > 09, 2013
at
> > > >>> >> > 10:08:32AM -0400,
Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> > > >>> >>
> <br>> By the way Rubin why are you trying to hack
an HP
> > Touch
> > > >>> >>
> Pad.<br>You
> > > >>>
>> > <br>can't put GNU/Linux on it or open webOS/Linux
because the
> > video
> > > >>>
>> > <br>card needs proprietary
> > >
>>> >> > <br>
> > > >>>
>> > <br>
> > > >>> >>
> <br>I really can not read this. :(
> > >
>>> >> > <br>
> > > >>>
>> > <br>
> > > >>> >>
> <br>
> > > >>> >> >
<br>
> > > >>> >> >
<br>drivers.<br>I looked in to it a while
ago
> > > >>> >> > <br>and
while I love Palm phones I wanted to be able to updated
>
> the OS
> > > >>> >> > <br>and
apps on my Pre 3 and found I
> >
couldn't.<br><br>There
> >
> >>> >> > are some
> > > >>>
>> > <br>updates in the community app store but
since the platform
> > is mostly
> > >
>>> >> > <br>dead most of the new ones
won't work on webOS 2.0 or 3.0.
> > Some apps
> >
> >>> >> > <br>are being developed on
open webOS 1.x but not
> >
many.<br><span
> > > >>>
>> > <br>style="font-family:Prelude, Verdana,
>
> > >>> >> >
san-serif;"><br><br></span><span
>
> > >>> >> >
<br>id="signature"><div style="font-family:
arial,
> > sans-serif;
> > > >>>
>> > font-size:
> > > >>> >>
> <br>12px;color: #999999;">-- Sent from my HP
>
> > >>> >> >
Pre3</div><br></span><span
>
> > >>> >> > <br>style="color:navy;
font-family:Prelude, Verdana, san-serif;
> >
"><hr
> > > >>> >> >
<br>align="left" style="width:75%">On Jun 9, 2013 2:12
AM,
> > Ruben Safir
> > > >>> >>
> <br>&lt;mrbrklyn-at-panix.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > >>> >> >
<br><br></span>On Sun,
Jun 09,
> > > >>> >> > <br>2013
at 12:56:42AM -0400, Robert Menes
> >
wrote:<br>&gt; On Jun
> > >
>>> >> > 9,
> > > >>> >>
> <br>2013 12:02 AM, "Ruben Safir"
&lt;mrbrklyn-at-panix.com&gt;
> >
>
> > >>> >> >
<br>wrote:<br><br><br>On
this mailing list is
> > one of the
> > >
>>> >> > great hardware
> > >
>>> >> > <br>people in the
tristate<br>area and he is just
> > like....
listening
> > > >>> >> > <br>without
ever typing
> >
:)<br><br><br>&gt;
>
> > >>> >> >
&gt;<br>&gt;
&gt;<br>&gt;
> > >
>>> >> > <br>&gt; It is on a
card<br>&gt;
> >
&gt;<br>&gt;
> > >
>>> >> >
&gt;<br>&gt;
> > >
>>> >> > <br>
> > > >>>
>> >
> >
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing+HP+TouchPad+USB+Connector+Board/6077/1<br>&gt<http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing+HP+TouchPad+USB+Connector+Board/6077/1<br>>>
>
> > >>> >> > ;
> > > >>>
>> > <br>&gt;<br>&gt;
&gt;<br>&gt;
> > >
>>> >> > <br>&gt; That'll
make replacing the card
> > > >>> >>
> <br>easy, then.<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Now if you
> > can find
>
> > >>> >> > somewhere that
> >
> >>> >> > <br>has replacement parts in
stock, then all<br>&gt;
> >
that's
> > > >>> >> > needed is
>
> > >>> >> > <br>a little transplant
surgery.<br>&gt;
> >
<br>&gt;
> > > >>>
>> > --Robert<br>
> > > >>>
>> > <br>
> > > >>> >>
>
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
Regards,
>
> Evan M. Inker
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