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DATE | 2012-04-29 |
FROM | Paul Robert Marino
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SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Server move
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From owner-hangout-outgoing-at-mrbrklyn.com Sun Apr 29 22:51:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: by www2.mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) id 92537A0D39; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: hangout-outgoing-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by www2.mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 28) id 8358ADDB29; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073F4A0D39 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by obbeh20 with SMTP id eh20so455310obb.17 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:51:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=l2ZL5xpUyuaNx3KWDLXdMg5HUN8FRvW+mzdcyefFDDs=; b=PZguDfuwfHoEqjrx3LMIn+ufv+cT/x85nLnA7ZrgROxW0e69xr0vVZUGWi1iNUGShg CivYhljNMUDxpbtRQiE3AvjpTFLamTkgVWlfEFSTw1v50d9UI8StmKlHWDSqV66Ge/Z9 8G2eK1wTBKxFIJ93CwdAWhNzughjTVcUE4fF5DM8RmftaK2viOhI/OPPcCklpnn5MYbV KKOiXE34lZ0xFII26qpSjXxcKOo1I5VJZy0eE1V/0pZULW0tDeoe2LjxXuPImC70COyB KVu9SEpa6j2gYkFWHG/0LEpPf6f0WIJSfHl0Qrn6MRz1QVd9oFstLwCjZ3FW+8naTWPS DLTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.225.2 with SMTP id rg2mr934750obc.2.1335754274604; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.62.135 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.62.135 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:51:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4F9CDDC2.2000200-at-panix.com> <20120429170826.GA17449-at-panix.com> <1335731864.71665.YahooMailNeo-at-web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F9DD47A.40709-at-panix.com> <4F9DE184.5000901-at-panix.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:51:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Server move From: Paul Robert Marino To: Ruben Safir Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044797770b884904bedc873a Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
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One more thing while cable modems are fine for serving web sites the cable providers mailservers usualy refuse to send mail to one of their own ip addresses. In other words if we put it on a road runner cable modem that no one will be anbe to send to it from a roadrunner email address because road runners smtp servers will bounce it On Apr 29, 2012 10:45 PM, "Paul Robert Marino" wrote:
> Well cable modem ips are fairly static they only change if the cable modem > is rebooted, and there are ways you can get the firwall to update the dns > server securly when that happens. The problem is uptime. Home class cable > modems have brief service interuptions (for a few seconds) all the time > because their local loops are over booked and usually don't the most stable > equipment controling them. Ist fine for a temproary solution but isn't > great in the long term > On Apr 29, 2012 8:49 PM, "Ruben Safir" wrote: > >> On 04/29/2012 08:08 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: >> >>> Well I was thinking along the lines of a rackspace cloud box originally. >>> The problem is we host more than just our site so bandwidht would be an >>> issue because they bill based on the MB per month. >>> Oh and on the telex I agree they are one of the best colo providers and >>> they are cheaper than most. But cheeper than most is not nessisarily >>> cheap >>> when you are paying for it personaly. >>> It might be a viable option to put the main server in wv and set up a dr >>> server in a rackspace cloud. That way if we do have a power issue and >>> have >>> to switchover we would be fine >>> I was also saying it might be a good idea for us to put our email and >>> lists >>> on a google mail server which we can host in their cloud for free because >>> of our not for profit status. We would be limited to 50 email accounts >>> but >>> that would be fine. >>> On Apr 29, 2012 7:53 PM, "Ruben Safir" wrote: >>> >>> >> God - I need to get this done. Maybe my best route is to transfer >> everything to a fitPC and pay someone to run a static IP through cable in >> their house. >> >> >> On 04/29/2012 05:29 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: >>>> >>>> Telex is good but it will still cost you. >>>>> They just provide space and power you still have to purchase internet >>>>> serveice independantly. >>>>> >>>>> Paul - you were just telling me a year ago that you would colocate the >>>> server because it was cheaper. Where was that? >>>> >>>> >>>> Host monster is ok but its shared hosting. >>>> >>>>> If you like I can ask if we can set it up in my fathers barn (new >>>>> insulated >>>>> barn not never used for animals) in wv. We would have to ship it down >>>>> there >>>>> but he's told me I could put servers there before. >>>>> He's got a buisness class fiber connection so the bandwidth is decent >>>>> the >>>>> down side is he's usually in mane these days so if we loose remote >>>>> access >>>>> it may be a week or two before we can get it back up. >>>>> Also the ac isn't all that great in the summer when he's not staying >>>>> there. >>>>> So he has had issues with ups units over heating. On the bright side >>>>> you >>>>> can't beat the free colo price. >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 29, 2012 4:37 PM, "Elfen Magix" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Only one place I would recommend. Telx. >>>>>> http://telx.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> They are on 60 Hudson Street, downdown, few blocks from the World >>>>>> Trade. >>>>>> >>>>>> All sorts of connections available, rack, cabinets and cages >>>>> available. >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****__ >>>>>> From: einker >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Server move >>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard good things about Rackspace in the past. Not sure what >>>>>> their pricing is or what they offer though >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/29/12, Ruben Safir wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:51:51AM -0400, einker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can look at Host Monster or Blue Host ... They've been getting >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> consistent reviews. I've used hostrocket once but no real >>>>>>>> spectacular service. In fact when you call in with a ticket to >>>>>>>> open, it >>>>>>>> takes plenty of time to get it resolved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about rack space? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Ruben Safir >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> I need to move the server out of the house and I'm considering >>>>>> >>>>>>> co-location. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ruben >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Evan M. Inker >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Evan M. Inker >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>
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One more thing while cable modems are fine for serving web sites the cab= le providers mailservers usualy refuse to send mail to one of their own ip = addresses. In other words if we put it on a road runner cable modem that no= one will be anbe to send to it from a roadrunner email address because roa= d runners smtp servers will bounce it
On Apr 29, 2012 10:45 PM, "Paul Robert Mari= no" < prmarino1-at-gmail.com= > wrote: =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Well cable modem ips are fairly static they only change if the cable mod= em is rebooted, and there are ways you can get the firwall to update the dn= s server securly when that happens. The problem is uptime. Home class cable= modems have brief service interuptions (for a few seconds) all the time be= cause their local loops are over booked and usually don't the most stab= le equipment controling them. Ist fine for a temproary solution but isn'= ;t great in the long term
On Apr 29, 2012 8:49 PM, "Ruben Safir"= < mrbrklyn-at-panix= .com> wrote: e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 04/29/2012 08:08 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Well I was thinking along the lines of a rackspace cloud box originally. > The problem is we host more than just our site so bandwidht would be an
issue because they bill based on the MB per month.
Oh and on the telex I agree they are one of the best colo providers and
they are cheaper than most. But cheeper than most is not nessisarily cheap<= br> when you are paying for it personaly.
It might be a viable option to put the main server in wv and set up a dr > server in a rackspace cloud. That way if we do have a power issue and have<= br> to switchover we would be fine
I was also saying it might be a good idea for us to put our email and lists=
on a google mail server which we can host in their cloud for free becauser> of our not for profit status. We would be limited to 50 email accounts but<= br> that would be fine.
On Apr 29, 2012 7:53 PM, "Ruben Safir"<lyn-at-panix.com" target=3D"_blank">mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> =A0wrote:
God - I need to get this done. =A0Maybe my best route is to transfer everyt= hing to a fitPC and pay someone to run a static IP through cable in their h= ouse.
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 04/29/2012 05:29 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Telex is good but it will still cost you.
They just provide space and power you still have to purchase internet
serveice independantly.
Paul - you were just telling me a year ago that you would colocate the
server because it was cheaper. =A0Where was that?
=A0Host monster is ok but its shared hosting.
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> If you like I can ask if we can set it up in my fathers barn (new
insulated
barn not never used for animals) in wv. We would have to ship it down
there
but he's told me I could put servers there before.
He's got a buisness class fiber connection so the bandwidth is decent t= he
down side is he's usually in mane these days so if we loose remote acce= ss
it may be a week or two before we can get it back up.
Also the ac isn't all that great in the summer when he's not stayin= g
there.
So he has had issues with ups units over heating. On the bright side you > can't beat the free colo price.
On Apr 29, 2012 4:37 PM, "Elfen Magix"<_magix-at-yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> =A0 wrote= :
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Only one place I would recommend. Telx.
http://telx.com/
They are on 60 Hudson Street, downdown, few blocks from the World Trade. >
All sorts of connections available, rack, cabinets and cages available.
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> ______________________________**__
From: einker<emin= ker-at-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Server move
I've heard good things about Rackspace in the past. Not sure what
their pricing is or what they offer though
On 4/29/12, Ruben Safir<_blank">mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> =A0 wrote:
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:51:51AM -0400, einker wrote:
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> You can look at Host Monster or Blue Host ... They've been getting good=
consistent reviews. I've used hostrocket once but no real
spectacular service. In fact when you call in with a ticket to open, it
takes plenty of time to get it resolved.
=A0How about rack space?
=A0On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Ruben Safir<lyn-at-panix.com" target=3D"_blank">mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>
wrote:
I need to move the server out of the house and I'm considering
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;= padding-left:1ex">
co-location.
Any suggestions?
ruben
--
Regards,
Evan M. Inker
--
Sent from my mobile device
Regards,
Evan M. Inker
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One more thing while cable modems are fine for serving web sites the cable providers mailservers usualy refuse to send mail to one of their own ip addresses. In other words if we put it on a road runner cable modem that no one will be anbe to send to it from a roadrunner email address because road runners smtp servers will bounce it On Apr 29, 2012 10:45 PM, "Paul Robert Marino" wrote:
> Well cable modem ips are fairly static they only change if the cable modem > is rebooted, and there are ways you can get the firwall to update the dns > server securly when that happens. The problem is uptime. Home class cable > modems have brief service interuptions (for a few seconds) all the time > because their local loops are over booked and usually don't the most stable > equipment controling them. Ist fine for a temproary solution but isn't > great in the long term > On Apr 29, 2012 8:49 PM, "Ruben Safir" wrote: > >> On 04/29/2012 08:08 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: >> >>> Well I was thinking along the lines of a rackspace cloud box originally. >>> The problem is we host more than just our site so bandwidht would be an >>> issue because they bill based on the MB per month. >>> Oh and on the telex I agree they are one of the best colo providers and >>> they are cheaper than most. But cheeper than most is not nessisarily >>> cheap >>> when you are paying for it personaly. >>> It might be a viable option to put the main server in wv and set up a dr >>> server in a rackspace cloud. That way if we do have a power issue and >>> have >>> to switchover we would be fine >>> I was also saying it might be a good idea for us to put our email and >>> lists >>> on a google mail server which we can host in their cloud for free because >>> of our not for profit status. We would be limited to 50 email accounts >>> but >>> that would be fine. >>> On Apr 29, 2012 7:53 PM, "Ruben Safir" wrote: >>> >>> >> God - I need to get this done. Maybe my best route is to transfer >> everything to a fitPC and pay someone to run a static IP through cable in >> their house. >> >> >> On 04/29/2012 05:29 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: >>>> >>>> Telex is good but it will still cost you. >>>>> They just provide space and power you still have to purchase internet >>>>> serveice independantly. >>>>> >>>>> Paul - you were just telling me a year ago that you would colocate the >>>> server because it was cheaper. Where was that? >>>> >>>> >>>> Host monster is ok but its shared hosting. >>>> >>>>> If you like I can ask if we can set it up in my fathers barn (new >>>>> insulated >>>>> barn not never used for animals) in wv. We would have to ship it down >>>>> there >>>>> but he's told me I could put servers there before. >>>>> He's got a buisness class fiber connection so the bandwidth is decent >>>>> the >>>>> down side is he's usually in mane these days so if we loose remote >>>>> access >>>>> it may be a week or two before we can get it back up. >>>>> Also the ac isn't all that great in the summer when he's not staying >>>>> there. >>>>> So he has had issues with ups units over heating. On the bright side >>>>> you >>>>> can't beat the free colo price. >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 29, 2012 4:37 PM, "Elfen Magix" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Only one place I would recommend. Telx. >>>>>> http://telx.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> They are on 60 Hudson Street, downdown, few blocks from the World >>>>>> Trade. >>>>>> >>>>>> All sorts of connections available, rack, cabinets and cages >>>>> available. >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****__ >>>>>> From: einker >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Server move >>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard good things about Rackspace in the past. Not sure what >>>>>> their pricing is or what they offer though >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/29/12, Ruben Safir wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:51:51AM -0400, einker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can look at Host Monster or Blue Host ... They've been getting >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> consistent reviews. I've used hostrocket once but no real >>>>>>>> spectacular service. In fact when you call in with a ticket to >>>>>>>> open, it >>>>>>>> takes plenty of time to get it resolved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about rack space? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Ruben Safir >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> I need to move the server out of the house and I'm considering >>>>>> >>>>>>> co-location. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ruben >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Evan M. Inker >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Evan M. Inker >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>
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One more thing while cable modems are fine for serving web sites the cab= le providers mailservers usualy refuse to send mail to one of their own ip = addresses. In other words if we put it on a road runner cable modem that no= one will be anbe to send to it from a roadrunner email address because roa= d runners smtp servers will bounce it
On Apr 29, 2012 10:45 PM, "Paul Robert Mari= no" < prmarino1-at-gmail.com= > wrote: =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Well cable modem ips are fairly static they only change if the cable mod= em is rebooted, and there are ways you can get the firwall to update the dn= s server securly when that happens. The problem is uptime. Home class cable= modems have brief service interuptions (for a few seconds) all the time be= cause their local loops are over booked and usually don't the most stab= le equipment controling them. Ist fine for a temproary solution but isn'= ;t great in the long term
On Apr 29, 2012 8:49 PM, "Ruben Safir"= < mrbrklyn-at-panix= .com> wrote: e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 04/29/2012 08:08 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Well I was thinking along the lines of a rackspace cloud box originally. > The problem is we host more than just our site so bandwidht would be an
issue because they bill based on the MB per month.
Oh and on the telex I agree they are one of the best colo providers and
they are cheaper than most. But cheeper than most is not nessisarily cheap<= br> when you are paying for it personaly.
It might be a viable option to put the main server in wv and set up a dr > server in a rackspace cloud. That way if we do have a power issue and have<= br> to switchover we would be fine
I was also saying it might be a good idea for us to put our email and lists=
on a google mail server which we can host in their cloud for free becauser> of our not for profit status. We would be limited to 50 email accounts but<= br> that would be fine.
On Apr 29, 2012 7:53 PM, "Ruben Safir"<lyn-at-panix.com" target=3D"_blank">mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> =A0wrote:
God - I need to get this done. =A0Maybe my best route is to transfer everyt= hing to a fitPC and pay someone to run a static IP through cable in their h= ouse.
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 04/29/2012 05:29 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Telex is good but it will still cost you.
They just provide space and power you still have to purchase internet
serveice independantly.
Paul - you were just telling me a year ago that you would colocate the
server because it was cheaper. =A0Where was that?
=A0Host monster is ok but its shared hosting.
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> If you like I can ask if we can set it up in my fathers barn (new
insulated
barn not never used for animals) in wv. We would have to ship it down
there
but he's told me I could put servers there before.
He's got a buisness class fiber connection so the bandwidth is decent t= he
down side is he's usually in mane these days so if we loose remote acce= ss
it may be a week or two before we can get it back up.
Also the ac isn't all that great in the summer when he's not stayin= g
there.
So he has had issues with ups units over heating. On the bright side you > can't beat the free colo price.
On Apr 29, 2012 4:37 PM, "Elfen Magix"<_magix-at-yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> =A0 wrote= :
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Only one place I would recommend. Telx.
http://telx.com/
They are on 60 Hudson Street, downdown, few blocks from the World Trade. >
All sorts of connections available, rack, cabinets and cages available.
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> ______________________________**__
From: einker<emin= ker-at-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Server move
I've heard good things about Rackspace in the past. Not sure what
their pricing is or what they offer though
On 4/29/12, Ruben Safir<_blank">mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> =A0 wrote:
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:51:51AM -0400, einker wrote:
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> You can look at Host Monster or Blue Host ... They've been getting good=
consistent reviews. I've used hostrocket once but no real
spectacular service. In fact when you call in with a ticket to open, it
takes plenty of time to get it resolved.
=A0How about rack space?
=A0On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Ruben Safir<lyn-at-panix.com" target=3D"_blank">mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>
wrote:
I need to move the server out of the house and I'm considering
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;= padding-left:1ex">
co-location.
Any suggestions?
ruben
--
Regards,
Evan M. Inker
--
Sent from my mobile device
Regards,
Evan M. Inker
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