MESSAGE
| DATE | 2012-03-13 |
| FROM | Kevin Mark
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:22PM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> Read this. This is why I was putting in the effort.
so sunny say that he has done TONS for NYLUG unlike ron?
where sunny says that ron went against NYLUG members by having a meeting at (evil) M$, but that no one objected?
or that how sunny said that ron objected to using meetup (but ron didnt)?
what is your point?
>
> 06:03:50 PM) sunny: hilarious drama is more like it
> (06:04:12 PM) gniks left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.).
> (06:04:41 PM) sunny: we're like the Jedi, we have the ability to get
> shit done in an impressive manner, but are thrown curve balls one after
> another
> (06:07:31 PM) sunny: I like how the guy who accuses of excluding the
> members has never once given a damn about what they think, AND was
> willing to meet at space provided by Microsoft over the objections of
> other Officers and with zero input of the membership
> (06:07:39 PM) freezey left the room (quit: Quit: freezey).
> (06:07:48 PM) sunny: yyeeaaahhh, Microsoft!
> (06:07:53 PM) sunny: gives you the warm and fuzzies
> (06:08:06 PM) sunny: and now, $5 per Android handset in patent licensing
> (06:08:14 PM) Viza: dkr, that's like saying the customers who enter a
> store represent the store
> (06:08:30 PM) r0bby_ left the room (quit: Max SendQ exceeded).
> (06:08:49 PM) sunny: I'm pretty sure Microsoft makes way more money with
> Android licensing than they do with Windows Phone, lol
> (06:09:01 PM) r0bby_ [~wakawaka-at-guifications/user/r0bby] entered the
> room.
> (06:09:01 PM) mode (+v r0bby_) by ChanServ
> (06:09:06 PM) sunny: omg
> (06:09:51 PM) mode (+o sunny) by ChanServ
> (06:10:04 PM) mode (+b *!*wakawaka-at-guifications/user/r0bby) by sunny
> (06:10:21 PM) sunny: r0bby_: I'll remove that in a few hours, when
> hopefully you've fixed your client
> (06:10:27 PM) mode (-o sunny) by sunny
> (06:10:28 PM) Viza: Max SendQ exceeded
> (06:10:32 PM) Viza: interesting
> (06:11:12 PM) Viza: sunny, what are good business and/or marketing
> books?
> (06:11:14 PM) sunny: 99% of the time it means that his ISP is having
> problems
> (06:11:59 PM) sunny: it means that he was able to connect, but the ircd
> couldn't push back the data to him, so it disconnected on him
> (06:12:14 PM) sunny: Viza: I dunno anymore
> (06:13:19 PM) r0bby_ left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset
> by peer).
> (06:13:29 PM) RonG: sunny you don't let the truth ever get in your way,
> do you? Did we meet at Microsoft over anyone's objections? No, then
> apparently I wasn't. And I'm the only one who asked what the members
> wanted (regularly) and brought in new volunteers. What did you do in
> the last few years? Oh yeah, pretty much nothing.
> (06:14:29 PM) sunny: And in a few months I've managed to do far more
> than you have in the same period of time. The Jedi are fast that way.
> (06:15:00 PM) RonG: I've done more than you ever will.
> (06:16:05 PM) sunny: Its possible, but giving something a bare life line
> and stifling its growth isn't really doing much. You objected to
> meetup.com incredibly strongly, and thats been the most awesome thing
> ever.
> (06:16:18 PM) RonG: That's another lie.
> (06:16:26 PM) RonG: I can post those mails publicly if you'd like.
> (06:17:00 PM) sunny: By all means! lets keep the kafka up on that list!
> (06:17:44 PM) RonG: keep in mind, other people, have copies of them too.
> (06:17:59 PM) RonG: and not just in your little coup cilque
> (06:18:14 PM) sunny: With headers, and time stamps, and stuff worth
> framing, I know! This technology! its Amazing!
> (06:18:25 PM) LambdaCalculus37 left the room (quit: Quit: This computer
> has gone to sleep).
> (06:20:54 PM) sunny: the bad news continues for yahoo:
> http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/03/opinion-baio-yahoo-patent-lie/
> (06:21:05 PM) sunny: I seriously wonder what the tech fallout over there
> is going to be
> (06:21:39 PM) sunny: I wonder if some Yahoo Hadoop guys are just gonna
> walk away
> (06:22:21 PM) Viza: RonG - 10/16/2011 "I could possibly see buying a
> meetup.com subscription on the basis of it bringing in lots of new
> people"
> (06:22:32 PM) Viza: RonG - 10/20/2011 "I guess Brian decided to shell
> out for it. I've been of the impression that it would be a good thing
> to be on Meetup, but have balked at the expense of it. Our entire
> holiday party doesn't cost much more than a year at meetup.com"
> (06:22:36 PM) Viza: ...
> (06:24:49 PM) RonG: Yeah, that objection couldn't be more strong, could
> it.
> (06:30:49 PM) z244vv [41585845-at-gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.69]
> entered the room.
> (06:30:49 PM) mode (+v z244vv) by ChanServ
> (06:31:05 PM) z244vv: hi, Robert menes?
> (06:31:34 PM) Viza: he left 10 minutes ago
> (06:32:18 PM) z244vv: oh fun, thanks
> (06:34:27 PM) sunny: well somehow I don't have that in my #nylug.log
> file
> (06:34:29 PM) sunny: egrep -i "(rong.*.meetup.*.subscription)"
> \#nylug.log
> (06:34:34 PM) sunny: don't mock me for my regex, heh
> (06:34:59 PM) sunny: I'm also fairly aware of Ron's stance on everything
> web 2.0 social networking
> (06:35:06 PM) Viza: that's from email, just used Ron's nickname for
> brevity
> (06:36:31 PM) RonG: I'm sure my "stance", which justifies making up
> stories about me also explains why I opened the twitter and identi'ca
> accounts and updated the facebook page.
> (06:37:23 PM) RonG: clearly I am unreasonable about the use of social
> networks for nylug
> (06:39:46 PM) sunny: Viza: the rest of that email paints a picture i'm
> *far* more used to. Selective copy/pasting skews things.
> (06:40:19 PM) marrusl left the room (quit: Quit:
> Счастливо!).
> (06:40:37 PM) marrusl
> [~mark-at-207-237-25-43.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] entered
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> (06:40:38 PM) mode (+v marrusl) by ChanServ
> (06:40:44 PM) sunny: I don't know what the insurance costs, but as a
> cost-benefit thing I'd
> (06:40:44 PM) sunny: prefer not to be spending money on that because at
> the moment, I'm kind
> (06:40:44 PM) sunny: of sour on the whole general meeting thing. I
> could possibly see buying
> (06:40:44 PM) sunny: a meetup.com subscription on the basis of it
> bringing in lots of new
> (06:40:44 PM) sunny: people, but I'm having trouble with the idea of all
> the trouble that
> (06:40:46 PM) sunny: goes into a general meeting that it's difficult to
> look at anymore and
> (06:40:49 PM) sunny: call it a successful thing worthy of the effort.
> To add an insurance
> (06:40:51 PM) sunny: expense (and other associated costs) on top of that
> ... bleh.
> (06:41:23 PM) RonG: That's got what to do with meetup and social
> networking?
> (06:41:33 PM) RonG: Now you're being selective.
> (06:41:38 PM) RonG: That's about incorporation.
> (06:42:20 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: that email has to do with meetup and
> social networking because you comment on getting a meetup subscription
> there, and it's the longer version of the mail Viza quoted from
> (06:42:37 PM) RonG: that section had nothing to do with either.
> (06:42:37 PM) Hydroxide: or, presumably is. you don't seem to be
> disputing that it's a legit quote.
> (06:43:10 PM) Hydroxide: uh, his sunny's paste included the phrase
> "meetup.com subscription". presumably one of the things you said in that
> section related to meetup.com
> (06:43:15 PM) Hydroxide: -hisa
> (06:43:16 PM) Hydroxide: +a
> (06:43:20 PM) Hydroxide: (yay negative letters)
> (06:43:22 PM) RonG: I said that if the meetings were not viable I
> certainly didn't want to be spending money incorporating to keep them
> going.
> (06:43:32 PM) RonG: that isn't about social networks or meetup
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> (06:44:40 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: um... you definitely commented on "buying
> a meetup.com subscription" unless you're saying both Viza and sunny
> misquoted you. I realize the main point of your mail was about insurance
> and probably incorporation in general, but you still addressed
> meetup.com
> (06:45:09 PM) RonG: that was about two other things, the insurance issue
> that always came up in incorporation discussion and whether or not the
> presentation format was working anymore. (this is a discussion I'm still
> willing to have, although the attendance at Google seems to prove
> presentations are still working)
> (06:45:18 PM) Viza: sunny, no disrespect but "You objected to meetup.com
> incredibly strongly" skews things too
> (06:45:51 PM) sunny: none taken, clearly I'm wrong, I'm not going to
> lose any sleep over this
> (06:45:51 PM) RonG: Hydroxide: I don't know what you're talking about,
> honestly. I just explained to you how it has nothing to do with it, and
> I'm sure one of these guys will be happy to forward it to you so you can
> read it yourself.
> (06:45:52 PM) sunny: ah ha
> (06:45:57 PM) sunny: I fixed the regex
> (06:46:07 PM) sunny: egrep -i "(rong*.meetup*.subscription)" \#nylug.log
> | wc -l
> (06:46:17 PM) sunny: not that it matters, but I knew my regex was no
> good from before
> (06:46:49 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: I realize that your email was making the
> other points you say it does, and that you're correct about the main
> focus of your email. I'm not disputing that. but your point about
> meetup.com is in both Viza's quote and sunny's
> (06:47:24 PM) Hydroxide: and, yes, I think the current meetings do show
> that the presentation format is still working
> (06:47:49 PM) sunny: but now I need to know how to do that regex without
> regard to order.... oh god, haha
> (06:48:01 PM) Hydroxide: most internal feedback I've heard about them
> (not many responses but a handful) was positive
> (06:48:15 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: use multiple chained egreps. slow but
> simple.
> (06:48:24 PM) Hydroxide: or even greps, no need for the e in that case
> (06:48:40 PM) sunny: I know, but I was avoiding multiple pipes, lol
> (06:48:50 PM) sunny: somwhere a grey beard is laughing at me :(
> (06:50:19 PM) Hydroxide: regexps do have limits of flexibility. even in
> any order it won't catch mentions of meetup without subscription
> (06:50:55 PM) sunny: this is as simple and as good as it gets for me,
> for now at least: egrep -i "rong.*meetup.*subscription"
> (06:51:26 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: with that, it could be simpler by
> removing the e in egrep. it's not helping you at all
> (06:51:29 PM) Hydroxide: :)
> (06:51:54 PM) sunny: haha, true
> (06:53:48 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: if you want to forward me the email
> yourself so that I can see whether both Viza and sunny added the bit
> about meetup.com, I'm not going to stop you from doing that. if you're
> claiming it wasn't your main focus, no point in sending the email since
> I'm not disputing that
> (06:54:10 PM) SeanTAllen left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 246
> seconds).
> (06:54:50 PM) Viza: Hydroxide, RonG wasn't saying that he didn't discuss
> meetup
> (06:55:03 PM) Viza: the point was that sunny said RonG was strongly
> against it while RonG said it was untrue
> (06:55:34 PM) Viza: so the email quote is to show what RonG's opinion
> was exactly
> (06:55:44 PM) sunny: This is true
> (06:56:04 PM) sunny: the rest of the meeting is pretty much "I'm not
> sure if the general meetings are worth the hassle anymore blah blah
> blah"
> (06:56:05 PM) Hydroxide: Viza: if you read what RonG said to me several
> lines earlier in this chat, he did say that "that section [of the email]
> had nothing to do with [meetup and social networking]"
> (06:56:10 PM) sunny: err, email
> (06:56:36 PM) Hydroxide: I guess when he said "that section" he might
> have meant "the section which was added by only the second quote and not
> in the first quote"
> (06:56:43 PM) Viza: yes exactly
> (06:57:04 PM) Hydroxide: but my quoting of the text I was referring to
> makes it hard for me to believe RonG didn't know what I was talking
> about
> (06:57:11 PM) RonG: and the "blah blah" would be you know, the details.
> (06:57:11 PM) sunny: Hydroxide: so hows life with a -at-google.com email
> addy?
> (06:57:22 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: blah blah?
> (06:57:23 PM) sunny: I just forward Jimmy the emails, so he can decide
> for himself
> (06:57:49 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: I'm enjoying working at Google.
> (06:57:53 PM) ***Viza will trade beers for $100 adwords coupons
> (06:58:06 PM) Hydroxide: heh, not sure that I can do that without
> getting in truoble :)
> (06:58:13 PM) Hydroxide: or even if I wanted to get in trouble :)
> (06:58:21 PM) Viza: doh, i had to ask :p
> (06:58:23 PM) sunny: Hydroxide: does it turn more heads than having a
> -at-debian.org email addy? :)
> (06:58:26 PM) RonG: I said it was selective quoting which had nothing to
> do with what we were discussing
> (06:58:29 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: I use it much less often
> (06:58:31 PM) sunny: Viza: those things are pretty expensive
> (06:58:34 PM) sunny: Hydroxide: which?
> (06:58:39 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: google.com
> (06:58:42 PM) sunny: ah
> (06:58:59 PM) Viza: using adwords has opened mine eyes as to why Google
> is filthy rich
> (06:59:05 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: I mainly use google.com when I'm doing
> work stuff, and rarely does that involve communicating beyond google. I
> mean sometimes with vendors, occasionally with potential
> employment/internship referrals, etc
> (06:59:27 PM) Viza: $2 for a click, jesus!
> (06:59:40 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: probably also if I contribute to a FOSS
> project as part of my day job that I wasn't already involved in heavily
> before I started here
> (07:00:08 PM) Hydroxide: e.g. I do have a one-word patch to something to
> submit once I bother running it by the relevant office to say "yeah go
> ahead" (which they will)
> (07:00:09 PM) sunny: Viza: the crazy part is, those $/click monies are
> still better spent at google than just about anywhere else
> (07:00:14 PM) Hydroxide: that I'll do with my -at-google.com
> (07:00:29 PM) sunny: I can't remember the last time I thought to myself
> "I should advertise on bing" lol
> (07:00:37 PM) Hydroxide: Viza: it's public knowledge (via SEC filings)
> that google gets ~96% of its revenue from ads
> (07:00:43 PM) sunny: in fact, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want people
> from bing anyways
> (07:00:52 PM) sunny: they're too dumb to change search providers on
> Internet Exploder
> (07:01:32 PM) Viza: i changed search providers on Internet Explorer by
> using Chrome instead >.>
> (07:02:11 PM) ***Hydroxide read the broader email. yes, it's mostly
> about what RonG says it is, including that section. nowhere did I
> dispute that. it's not, however, true that that section had "nothing to
> do" with meetup or social networking
> (07:02:17 PM) Hydroxide: in fact the whole quote is a self-contained
> section of the email
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> (07:02:28 PM) sunny: haha, the first thing I do on a virgin Microsoft
> Windows box is install google tool bar for ie
> (07:02:35 PM) sunny: and that changes all the search stuff for me
> (07:02:36 PM) sunny: whew
> (07:02:38 PM) Hydroxide: and while most of it isn't about meetup.com, he
> does bring it up there as something that he might consider worthwhile in
> some situations
> (07:02:44 PM) Hydroxide: which is what the quote said
> (07:03:05 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: on personal machines I don't use any
> vendor's toolbar, google or yahoo or microsoft or otherwise
> (07:03:29 PM) Hydroxide: actually even on work I don't think I use
> google's toolbar, though I do usually use chrome at work (firefox is
> available too)
> (07:03:36 PM) RonG: I have no problem with the publication of that mail
> so everyone can decide for themselves. I've said all along more
> daylight would be a good thing.
> (07:03:47 PM) sunny: Internet exploder has terrible pop up blocking
> support
> (07:04:02 PM) Hydroxide: when I use IE for some reason I do set it to
> google as the search thing
> (07:04:15 PM) sunny: its the only OS and browser combination I must
> install a vendor toolbar
> (07:04:44 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: I find it rather silly that you're even
> bothering to dispute that you mentioned meetup.com in that section of
> the email. it's not like a horrible evil secret that would be harmful to
> admit
> (07:05:03 PM) Viza: wtf, he isn't disputing that
> (07:05:09 PM) RonG: dude. please. You know what I said.
> (07:05:15 PM) Hydroxide: Viza: I think he is
> (07:05:25 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: please correct me if I'm wrong
> (07:05:29 PM) Hydroxide: about what you're disputing
> (07:05:33 PM) RonG: I keep trying
> (07:05:35 PM) rockets left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset
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> (07:05:48 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: are you disputing that you mentioned
> meetup.com in that section of the email?
> (07:05:50 PM) Viza: he was just saying that posting the rest of the
> quote was pointless since it didn't relate to the conversation
> (07:05:50 PM) RonG: but you do love the argument
> (07:06:16 PM) RonG: perhaps this is why you want to be a lawyer
> (07:06:17 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: not really. I've thought about stopping
> several times and will decide to stop soon
> (07:06:38 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: but you seem to imply dishonesty into any
> discrepancy or misunderstanding or miscommunication
> (07:07:03 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: therefore, I didn't want to let it linger
> and cause possible rants against me in the future
> (07:07:23 PM) Hydroxide: for most people I would have stopped a long
> time ago
> (07:07:23 PM) RonG: oh boy.
> (07:09:44 PM) sunny: oh god
> (07:09:47 PM) sunny: speaking of the devil
> (07:09:49 PM) sunny:
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/microsoft-warns-expect-exploits-for-critical-windows-worm-hole/10745
> (07:09:58 PM) RonG: I think my you know, 13 year reputation in the
> community should assure you you're in do danger of me going off on a
> rant against you.
> (07:10:11 PM) sunny: zero day PRE-AUTHENTICATION RDP exploit
> (07:10:31 PM) Viza: o.O
> (07:10:51 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: wow
> (07:11:30 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: all it would take is you concluding that
> I had "joined the coup clique" and then you might. which could happen if
> I ever have time and motivation to volunteer for NYLUG more than helping
> to host meetings.
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> (07:12:00 PM) RonG: Hydroxide: Uh huh. And that totally sounds
> reasonable.
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> (07:13:29 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: no idea what tone of voice you said that
> with, so I'll leave it at that.
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