MESSAGE
| DATE | 2012-03-13 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
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Read this. This is why I was putting in the effort.
06:03:50 PM) sunny: hilarious drama is more like it
(06:04:12 PM) gniks left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.).
(06:04:41 PM) sunny: we're like the Jedi, we have the ability to get
shit done in an impressive manner, but are thrown curve balls one after
another
(06:07:31 PM) sunny: I like how the guy who accuses of excluding the
members has never once given a damn about what they think, AND was
willing to meet at space provided by Microsoft over the objections of
other Officers and with zero input of the membership
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(06:07:48 PM) sunny: yyeeaaahhh, Microsoft!
(06:07:53 PM) sunny: gives you the warm and fuzzies
(06:08:06 PM) sunny: and now, $5 per Android handset in patent licensing
(06:08:14 PM) Viza: dkr, that's like saying the customers who enter a
store represent the store
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(06:08:49 PM) sunny: I'm pretty sure Microsoft makes way more money with
Android licensing than they do with Windows Phone, lol
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(06:09:06 PM) sunny: omg
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(06:10:21 PM) sunny: r0bby_: I'll remove that in a few hours, when
hopefully you've fixed your client
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(06:10:28 PM) Viza: Max SendQ exceeded
(06:10:32 PM) Viza: interesting
(06:11:12 PM) Viza: sunny, what are good business and/or marketing
books?
(06:11:14 PM) sunny: 99% of the time it means that his ISP is having
problems
(06:11:59 PM) sunny: it means that he was able to connect, but the ircd
couldn't push back the data to him, so it disconnected on him
(06:12:14 PM) sunny: Viza: I dunno anymore
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(06:13:29 PM) RonG: sunny you don't let the truth ever get in your way,
do you? Did we meet at Microsoft over anyone's objections? No, then
apparently I wasn't. And I'm the only one who asked what the members
wanted (regularly) and brought in new volunteers. What did you do in
the last few years? Oh yeah, pretty much nothing.
(06:14:29 PM) sunny: And in a few months I've managed to do far more
than you have in the same period of time. The Jedi are fast that way.
(06:15:00 PM) RonG: I've done more than you ever will.
(06:16:05 PM) sunny: Its possible, but giving something a bare life line
and stifling its growth isn't really doing much. You objected to
meetup.com incredibly strongly, and thats been the most awesome thing
ever.
(06:16:18 PM) RonG: That's another lie.
(06:16:26 PM) RonG: I can post those mails publicly if you'd like.
(06:17:00 PM) sunny: By all means! lets keep the kafka up on that list!
(06:17:44 PM) RonG: keep in mind, other people, have copies of them too.
(06:17:59 PM) RonG: and not just in your little coup cilque
(06:18:14 PM) sunny: With headers, and time stamps, and stuff worth
framing, I know! This technology! its Amazing!
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(06:20:54 PM) sunny: the bad news continues for yahoo:
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/03/opinion-baio-yahoo-patent-lie/
(06:21:05 PM) sunny: I seriously wonder what the tech fallout over there
is going to be
(06:21:39 PM) sunny: I wonder if some Yahoo Hadoop guys are just gonna
walk away
(06:22:21 PM) Viza: RonG - 10/16/2011 "I could possibly see buying a
meetup.com subscription on the basis of it bringing in lots of new
people"
(06:22:32 PM) Viza: RonG - 10/20/2011 "I guess Brian decided to shell
out for it. I've been of the impression that it would be a good thing
to be on Meetup, but have balked at the expense of it. Our entire
holiday party doesn't cost much more than a year at meetup.com"
(06:22:36 PM) Viza: ...
(06:24:49 PM) RonG: Yeah, that objection couldn't be more strong, could
it.
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(06:31:05 PM) z244vv: hi, Robert menes?
(06:31:34 PM) Viza: he left 10 minutes ago
(06:32:18 PM) z244vv: oh fun, thanks
(06:34:27 PM) sunny: well somehow I don't have that in my #nylug.log
file
(06:34:29 PM) sunny: egrep -i "(rong.*.meetup.*.subscription)"
\#nylug.log
(06:34:34 PM) sunny: don't mock me for my regex, heh
(06:34:59 PM) sunny: I'm also fairly aware of Ron's stance on everything
web 2.0 social networking
(06:35:06 PM) Viza: that's from email, just used Ron's nickname for
brevity
(06:36:31 PM) RonG: I'm sure my "stance", which justifies making up
stories about me also explains why I opened the twitter and identi'ca
accounts and updated the facebook page.
(06:37:23 PM) RonG: clearly I am unreasonable about the use of social
networks for nylug
(06:39:46 PM) sunny: Viza: the rest of that email paints a picture i'm
*far* more used to. Selective copy/pasting skews things.
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СчаÑтливо!).
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(06:40:44 PM) sunny: I don't know what the insurance costs, but as a
cost-benefit thing I'd
(06:40:44 PM) sunny: prefer not to be spending money on that because at
the moment, I'm kind
(06:40:44 PM) sunny: of sour on the whole general meeting thing. I
could possibly see buying
(06:40:44 PM) sunny: a meetup.com subscription on the basis of it
bringing in lots of new
(06:40:44 PM) sunny: people, but I'm having trouble with the idea of all
the trouble that
(06:40:46 PM) sunny: goes into a general meeting that it's difficult to
look at anymore and
(06:40:49 PM) sunny: call it a successful thing worthy of the effort.
To add an insurance
(06:40:51 PM) sunny: expense (and other associated costs) on top of that
... bleh.
(06:41:23 PM) RonG: That's got what to do with meetup and social
networking?
(06:41:33 PM) RonG: Now you're being selective.
(06:41:38 PM) RonG: That's about incorporation.
(06:42:20 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: that email has to do with meetup and
social networking because you comment on getting a meetup subscription
there, and it's the longer version of the mail Viza quoted from
(06:42:37 PM) RonG: that section had nothing to do with either.
(06:42:37 PM) Hydroxide: or, presumably is. you don't seem to be
disputing that it's a legit quote.
(06:43:10 PM) Hydroxide: uh, his sunny's paste included the phrase
"meetup.com subscription". presumably one of the things you said in that
section related to meetup.com
(06:43:15 PM) Hydroxide: -hisa
(06:43:16 PM) Hydroxide: +a
(06:43:20 PM) Hydroxide: (yay negative letters)
(06:43:22 PM) RonG: I said that if the meetings were not viable I
certainly didn't want to be spending money incorporating to keep them
going.
(06:43:32 PM) RonG: that isn't about social networks or meetup
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(06:44:40 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: um... you definitely commented on "buying
a meetup.com subscription" unless you're saying both Viza and sunny
misquoted you. I realize the main point of your mail was about insurance
and probably incorporation in general, but you still addressed
meetup.com
(06:45:09 PM) RonG: that was about two other things, the insurance issue
that always came up in incorporation discussion and whether or not the
presentation format was working anymore. (this is a discussion I'm still
willing to have, although the attendance at Google seems to prove
presentations are still working)
(06:45:18 PM) Viza: sunny, no disrespect but "You objected to meetup.com
incredibly strongly" skews things too
(06:45:51 PM) sunny: none taken, clearly I'm wrong, I'm not going to
lose any sleep over this
(06:45:51 PM) RonG: Hydroxide: I don't know what you're talking about,
honestly. I just explained to you how it has nothing to do with it, and
I'm sure one of these guys will be happy to forward it to you so you can
read it yourself.
(06:45:52 PM) sunny: ah ha
(06:45:57 PM) sunny: I fixed the regex
(06:46:07 PM) sunny: egrep -i "(rong*.meetup*.subscription)" \#nylug.log
| wc -l
(06:46:17 PM) sunny: not that it matters, but I knew my regex was no
good from before
(06:46:49 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: I realize that your email was making the
other points you say it does, and that you're correct about the main
focus of your email. I'm not disputing that. but your point about
meetup.com is in both Viza's quote and sunny's
(06:47:24 PM) Hydroxide: and, yes, I think the current meetings do show
that the presentation format is still working
(06:47:49 PM) sunny: but now I need to know how to do that regex without
regard to order.... oh god, haha
(06:48:01 PM) Hydroxide: most internal feedback I've heard about them
(not many responses but a handful) was positive
(06:48:15 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: use multiple chained egreps. slow but
simple.
(06:48:24 PM) Hydroxide: or even greps, no need for the e in that case
(06:48:40 PM) sunny: I know, but I was avoiding multiple pipes, lol
(06:48:50 PM) sunny: somwhere a grey beard is laughing at me :(
(06:50:19 PM) Hydroxide: regexps do have limits of flexibility. even in
any order it won't catch mentions of meetup without subscription
(06:50:55 PM) sunny: this is as simple and as good as it gets for me,
for now at least: egrep -i "rong.*meetup.*subscription"
(06:51:26 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: with that, it could be simpler by
removing the e in egrep. it's not helping you at all
(06:51:29 PM) Hydroxide: :)
(06:51:54 PM) sunny: haha, true
(06:53:48 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: if you want to forward me the email
yourself so that I can see whether both Viza and sunny added the bit
about meetup.com, I'm not going to stop you from doing that. if you're
claiming it wasn't your main focus, no point in sending the email since
I'm not disputing that
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(06:54:50 PM) Viza: Hydroxide, RonG wasn't saying that he didn't discuss
meetup
(06:55:03 PM) Viza: the point was that sunny said RonG was strongly
against it while RonG said it was untrue
(06:55:34 PM) Viza: so the email quote is to show what RonG's opinion
was exactly
(06:55:44 PM) sunny: This is true
(06:56:04 PM) sunny: the rest of the meeting is pretty much "I'm not
sure if the general meetings are worth the hassle anymore blah blah
blah"
(06:56:05 PM) Hydroxide: Viza: if you read what RonG said to me several
lines earlier in this chat, he did say that "that section [of the email]
had nothing to do with [meetup and social networking]"
(06:56:10 PM) sunny: err, email
(06:56:36 PM) Hydroxide: I guess when he said "that section" he might
have meant "the section which was added by only the second quote and not
in the first quote"
(06:56:43 PM) Viza: yes exactly
(06:57:04 PM) Hydroxide: but my quoting of the text I was referring to
makes it hard for me to believe RonG didn't know what I was talking
about
(06:57:11 PM) RonG: and the "blah blah" would be you know, the details.
(06:57:11 PM) sunny: Hydroxide: so hows life with a -at-google.com email
addy?
(06:57:22 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: blah blah?
(06:57:23 PM) sunny: I just forward Jimmy the emails, so he can decide
for himself
(06:57:49 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: I'm enjoying working at Google.
(06:57:53 PM) ***Viza will trade beers for $100 adwords coupons
(06:58:06 PM) Hydroxide: heh, not sure that I can do that without
getting in truoble :)
(06:58:13 PM) Hydroxide: or even if I wanted to get in trouble :)
(06:58:21 PM) Viza: doh, i had to ask :p
(06:58:23 PM) sunny: Hydroxide: does it turn more heads than having a
-at-debian.org email addy? :)
(06:58:26 PM) RonG: I said it was selective quoting which had nothing to
do with what we were discussing
(06:58:29 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: I use it much less often
(06:58:31 PM) sunny: Viza: those things are pretty expensive
(06:58:34 PM) sunny: Hydroxide: which?
(06:58:39 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: google.com
(06:58:42 PM) sunny: ah
(06:58:59 PM) Viza: using adwords has opened mine eyes as to why Google
is filthy rich
(06:59:05 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: I mainly use google.com when I'm doing
work stuff, and rarely does that involve communicating beyond google. I
mean sometimes with vendors, occasionally with potential
employment/internship referrals, etc
(06:59:27 PM) Viza: $2 for a click, jesus!
(06:59:40 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: probably also if I contribute to a FOSS
project as part of my day job that I wasn't already involved in heavily
before I started here
(07:00:08 PM) Hydroxide: e.g. I do have a one-word patch to something to
submit once I bother running it by the relevant office to say "yeah go
ahead" (which they will)
(07:00:09 PM) sunny: Viza: the crazy part is, those $/click monies are
still better spent at google than just about anywhere else
(07:00:14 PM) Hydroxide: that I'll do with my -at-google.com
(07:00:29 PM) sunny: I can't remember the last time I thought to myself
"I should advertise on bing" lol
(07:00:37 PM) Hydroxide: Viza: it's public knowledge (via SEC filings)
that google gets ~96% of its revenue from ads
(07:00:43 PM) sunny: in fact, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want people
from bing anyways
(07:00:52 PM) sunny: they're too dumb to change search providers on
Internet Exploder
(07:01:32 PM) Viza: i changed search providers on Internet Explorer by
using Chrome instead >.>
(07:02:11 PM) ***Hydroxide read the broader email. yes, it's mostly
about what RonG says it is, including that section. nowhere did I
dispute that. it's not, however, true that that section had "nothing to
do" with meetup or social networking
(07:02:17 PM) Hydroxide: in fact the whole quote is a self-contained
section of the email
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(07:02:28 PM) sunny: haha, the first thing I do on a virgin Microsoft
Windows box is install google tool bar for ie
(07:02:35 PM) sunny: and that changes all the search stuff for me
(07:02:36 PM) sunny: whew
(07:02:38 PM) Hydroxide: and while most of it isn't about meetup.com, he
does bring it up there as something that he might consider worthwhile in
some situations
(07:02:44 PM) Hydroxide: which is what the quote said
(07:03:05 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: on personal machines I don't use any
vendor's toolbar, google or yahoo or microsoft or otherwise
(07:03:29 PM) Hydroxide: actually even on work I don't think I use
google's toolbar, though I do usually use chrome at work (firefox is
available too)
(07:03:36 PM) RonG: I have no problem with the publication of that mail
so everyone can decide for themselves. I've said all along more
daylight would be a good thing.
(07:03:47 PM) sunny: Internet exploder has terrible pop up blocking
support
(07:04:02 PM) Hydroxide: when I use IE for some reason I do set it to
google as the search thing
(07:04:15 PM) sunny: its the only OS and browser combination I must
install a vendor toolbar
(07:04:44 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: I find it rather silly that you're even
bothering to dispute that you mentioned meetup.com in that section of
the email. it's not like a horrible evil secret that would be harmful to
admit
(07:05:03 PM) Viza: wtf, he isn't disputing that
(07:05:09 PM) RonG: dude. please. You know what I said.
(07:05:15 PM) Hydroxide: Viza: I think he is
(07:05:25 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: please correct me if I'm wrong
(07:05:29 PM) Hydroxide: about what you're disputing
(07:05:33 PM) RonG: I keep trying
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(07:05:48 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: are you disputing that you mentioned
meetup.com in that section of the email?
(07:05:50 PM) Viza: he was just saying that posting the rest of the
quote was pointless since it didn't relate to the conversation
(07:05:50 PM) RonG: but you do love the argument
(07:06:16 PM) RonG: perhaps this is why you want to be a lawyer
(07:06:17 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: not really. I've thought about stopping
several times and will decide to stop soon
(07:06:38 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: but you seem to imply dishonesty into any
discrepancy or misunderstanding or miscommunication
(07:07:03 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: therefore, I didn't want to let it linger
and cause possible rants against me in the future
(07:07:23 PM) Hydroxide: for most people I would have stopped a long
time ago
(07:07:23 PM) RonG: oh boy.
(07:09:44 PM) sunny: oh god
(07:09:47 PM) sunny: speaking of the devil
(07:09:49 PM) sunny:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/microsoft-warns-expect-exploits-for-critical-windows-worm-hole/10745
(07:09:58 PM) RonG: I think my you know, 13 year reputation in the
community should assure you you're in do danger of me going off on a
rant against you.
(07:10:11 PM) sunny: zero day PRE-AUTHENTICATION RDP exploit
(07:10:31 PM) Viza: o.O
(07:10:51 PM) Hydroxide: sunny: wow
(07:11:30 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: all it would take is you concluding that
I had "joined the coup clique" and then you might. which could happen if
I ever have time and motivation to volunteer for NYLUG more than helping
to host meetings.
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(07:12:00 PM) RonG: Hydroxide: Uh huh. And that totally sounds
reasonable.
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(07:13:29 PM) Hydroxide: RonG: no idea what tone of voice you said that
with, so I'll leave it at that.
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