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DATE 2010-11-28
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wikileaks
Anyone have any comments on this from the NY Times this morning?


November 28, 2010
A Note to Readers: The Decision to Publish Diplomatic Documents

The articles published today and in coming days are based on thousands
of United States embassy cables, the daily reports from the field
intended for the eyes of senior policy makers in Washington. The New
York Times and a number of publications in Europe were given access to
the material several weeks ago and agreed to begin publication of
articles based on the cables Sunday online. The Times believes that the
documents serve an important public interest, illuminating the goals,
successes, compromises and frustrations of American diplomacy in a way
that other accounts cannot match.

The Source of the Material

The documents . some 250,000 individual cables, the daily traffic
between the State Department and more than 270 American diplomatic
outposts around the world . were made available to The Times by a source
who insisted on anonymity. They were originally obtained by WikiLeaks,
an organization devoted to exposing official secrets, allegedly from a
disenchanted, low-level Army intelligence analyst who exploited a
security loophole. Beginning Sunday, WikiLeaks intends to publish this
archive on its Web site in stages, with each batch of documents related
to a particular country or topic. Except for the timing of publication,
the material was provided without conditions. Each news organization
decided independently what to write about the cables.

Reporting Classified Information

About 11,000 of the cables are marked .secret.. An additional 9,000 or
so carry the label .noforn,. meaning the information is not to be shared
with representatives of other countries, and 4,000 are marked
.secret/noforn.. The rest are either marked with the less restrictive
label .confidential. or are unclassified. Most were not intended for
public view, at least in the near term.

The Times has taken care to exclude, in its articles and in
supplementary material, in print and online, information that would
endanger confidential informants or compromise national security. The
Times.s redactions were shared with other news organizations and
communicated to WikiLeaks, in the hope that they would similarly edit
the documents they planned to post online.

After its own redactions, The Times sent Obama administration officials
the cables it planned to post and invited them to challenge publication
of any information that, in the official view, would harm the national
interest. After reviewing the cables, the officials . while making clear
they condemn the publication of secret material . suggested additional
redactions. The Times agreed to some, but not all. The Times is
forwarding the administration.s concerns to other news organizations
and, at the suggestion of the State Department, to WikiLeaks itself. In
all, The Times plans to post on its Web site the text of about 100
cables . some edited, some in full . that illuminate aspects of American
foreign policy.

The question of dealing with classified information is rarely easy, and
never to be taken lightly. Editors try to balance the value of the
material to public understanding against potential dangers to the
national interest. As a general rule we withhold secret information that
would expose confidential sources to reprisals or that would reveal
operational intelligence that might be useful to adversaries in war. We
excise material that might lead terrorists to unsecured weapons
material, compromise intelligence-gathering programs aimed at hostile
countries, or disclose information about the capabilities of American
weapons that could be helpful to an enemy.

On the other hand, we are less likely to censor candid remarks simply
because they might cause a diplomatic controversy or embarrass
officials.

Government officials sometimes argue . and the administration has argued
in the case of these secret cables . that disclosures of confidential
conversations between American diplomats and their foreign counterparts
could endanger the national interest by making foreign governments more
wary of cooperating with the United States in the fight against
terrorists or other vital activities.

Providing an Analysis

Of course, most of these documents will be made public regardless of
what The Times decides. WikiLeaks has shared the entire archive of
secret cables with at least four European publications, has promised
country-specific documents to many other news outlets, and has said it
plans to ultimately post its trove online. For The Times to ignore this
material would be to deny its own readers the careful reporting and
thoughtful analysis they expect when this kind of information becomes
public.

But the more important reason to publish these articles is that the
cables tell the unvarnished story of how the government makes its
biggest decisions, the decisions that cost the country most heavily in
lives and money. They shed light on the motivations . and, in some
cases, duplicity . of allies on the receiving end of American courtship
and foreign aid. They illuminate the diplomacy surrounding two current
wars and several countries, like Pakistan and Yemen, where American
military involvement is growing. As daunting as it is to publish such
material over official objections, it would be presumptuous to conclude
that Americans have no right to know what is being done in their name.

In the coming days, editors and reporters will respond to readers on the
substance of this coverage and the decision to publish. We invite
questions at askthetimes-at-nytimes.com.

  1. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  2. 2010-11-01 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  3. 2010-11-01 Yonah Wahrhaftig <mailinglists-at-wahrhaftig.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  4. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  5. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  6. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Speaking of Local News
  7. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Speaking of Local News
  8. 2010-11-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  9. 2010-11-03 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  10. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  11. 2010-11-03 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  12. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  13. 2010-11-03 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  14. 2010-11-03 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  15. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  16. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  17. 2010-11-03 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  18. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  19. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  20. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  21. 2010-11-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  22. 2010-11-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  23. 2010-11-06 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online furor
  24. 2010-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online
  25. 2010-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  26. 2010-11-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  27. 2010-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  28. 2010-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  29. 2010-11-07 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online
  30. 2010-11-07 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online
  31. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technite - Last Night
  32. 2010-11-08 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technite - Last Night
  33. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  34. 2010-11-08 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  35. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  36. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  37. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  38. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  39. 2010-11-08 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  40. 2010-11-09 Paul Charles Leddy <pcleddy-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  41. 2010-11-09 Paul Charles Leddy <pcleddy-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  42. 2010-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  43. 2010-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  44. 2010-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technite - Last Night
  45. 2010-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Paranoia-dev] PATCH: slight memleak in
  46. 2010-11-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG talk
  47. 2010-11-13 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Murderer Caught
  48. 2010-11-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  49. 2010-11-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben. Please call me. Thanks.
  50. 2010-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben. Please call me. Thanks.
  51. 2010-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So this is spam or not
  52. 2010-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Murderer Caught
  53. 2010-11-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Technight
  54. 2010-11-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Technight
  55. 2010-11-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben. Please call me. Thanks.
  56. 2010-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Supidist thing on Lexington Avenue
  57. 2010-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Technight
  58. 2010-11-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Technight
  59. 2010-11-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So this is spam or not
  60. 2010-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So this is spam or not
  61. 2010-11-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So this is spam or not
  62. 2010-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
  63. 2010-11-18 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
  64. 2010-11-18 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
  65. 2010-11-18 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
  66. 2010-11-18 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
  67. 2010-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
  68. 2010-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
  69. 2010-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement:
  70. 2010-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Meeting
  71. 2010-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Whereabouts
  72. 2010-11-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [winston_medical-at-winstonstaffing.com: $200 from Winston Medical
  73. 2010-11-22 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT]
  74. 2010-11-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  75. 2010-11-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some patents to Microsoft
  76. 2010-11-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  77. 2010-11-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual property assets for $450 million to a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft." Argh!
  78. 2010-11-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  79. 2010-11-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual property assets for $450 million to a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft." Argh!
  80. 2010-11-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual property assets for $450 million to a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft." Argh!
  81. 2010-11-22 Paul Charles Leddy <pcleddy-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  82. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  83. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  84. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  85. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  86. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  87. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  88. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  89. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  90. 2010-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  91. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  92. 2010-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  93. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  94. 2010-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  95. 2010-11-23 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Two Words
  96. 2010-11-23 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [FCNYC] OFFER:Hewlett packard LPr and Compaq PL1850R Server units
  97. 2010-11-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [FCNYC] OFFER:Hewlett packard LPr and Compaq
  98. 2010-11-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [FCNYC] OFFER:Hewlett packard LPr and
  99. 2010-11-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Happy Thanksgiving
  100. 2010-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Creating a Clock in C++
  101. 2010-11-28 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  102. 2010-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  103. 2010-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Drinks this evening?
  104. 2010-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wikileaks
  105. 2010-11-29 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open source software more suitable for Oxford
  106. 2010-11-29 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  107. 2010-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open source software more suitable for Oxford
  108. 2010-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open source software more suitable for Oxford
  109. 2010-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  110. 2010-11-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [thomas-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Summary Report:
  111. 2010-11-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs

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