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| DATE | 2009-02-05 |
| FROM | Ronny Abraham
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
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No you nailed it. I also want it to look visually appealing of
course. If I have to stare at the thing for hours while racking my
brains, it should look good. I didn't say it, but that was one of the
reasons why I was considering GTK. For some reason all the QT apps
look horrible, I don't why, they just do.
But you are the perfect person to describe what should go in this
because you work with this kind of thing all day. Why don't you tell
me what YOUR idea of the perfect outliner would be. That is,
something you would happily prefer to using word.
-ron
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Amy Coleman wrote:
> Hey
>
> Ok doing a bit of research, perhaps we all can red this article about
> outling?
> http://www.innovationtools.com/Articles/ArticleDetails.asp?a=107. Not sure
> if this is what is in mind for you Ron as far as the idea of it. Or am I
> way out of the ballpark on this?
>
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 12:45:04PM -0500, Ronny Abraham wrote:
>> > Ah, well that's OK then. Thank you for clearing it all up.
>> >
>> > I guess I'll be able to start in two weeks, I need to read up on C++,
>> > and QT. Those seem like the best bet. GTK is prettier, but I get the
>> > impression that QT is a more tightly put together package.
>> >
>> > If anyone has a good book to recommend that covers QT and C++ at the
>> > same time, that would be perfect.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Great
>>
>> It's your project. That means you lead the way and we get a report to
>> the NYLXS board at the next monthly meeting. I'm looking forward to
>> seeing a big success.
>>
>> Now - who else has a project :)
>>
>> Ruben
>>
>>
>> > -ron
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> > > On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 06:21:25AM -0500, Ronny Abraham wrote:
>> > >> OK, I'm willing to play. But my problem is that certain of your
>> > >> positions, while reasonable, are incompatible with my own goals.
>> > >>
>> > >> I feel very strongly about making software available to everyone on
>> > >> whatever platform they like. If a developer decides to pop up and
>> > >> help me by porting a project I'm working on to, say, the SuperEvilOS,
>> > >> then I feel very strongly that he should be able to do so. I fully
>> > >> understand your reasoning to the contrary. But like I said, this is
>> > >> simply how I feel about it. That doesn't mean that I am going to
>> > >> invest the time to port it to every system. But if someone else wants
>> > >> to, then they can knock themselves out.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Let them knock themselves out. It's Free Software and they can take it
>> > > to do whatever they want.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Now I am willing to accept not hosting source that is meant for a
>> > >> non-free OS. After all, your server, your rules.
>> > >
>> > > Ron - I don't own this server. I own a hard drive in it, one of three,
>> > > but Michael George gave NYLXS this server and you have an equal share of
>> > > it and I administer it, in theory at least, under the supervion of the
>> > > NYLXS board.
>> > >
>> > >> But I can't do it
>> > >> if someone else can't take that source and host his branch for a
>> > >> proprietary OS on another server. I understand how arrogant that
>> > >> sounds, I mean I'm only one guy, and who knows if this is a useless
>> > >> idea in any case. But that's just how I see things.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Preventing the source from being downloaded is a violation of the GPL
>> > > so I don't seee why we would not make it publically available.
>> > >
>> > >> By the way, what kind of tools are you referring to?
>> > >
>> > > What tools do you want. We have SSH, C++, Mono, CVS, Apache, PHP,
>> > > Perl, Python, EMACS, VIM, personal webspace, C, ADA, Small Talk,
>> > > IRC clients, open access for members, mail, about 60Gigs of hard drive
>> > > space, mailing lists, Ruby, video hardware, audio hardware, GTK, Wings,
>> > > QT widget sets, DOCBOOK, TCL, TK, Java, EMBPERL, MODPERL, a 300 book
>> > > library, a 1.1 mb broadband connection, 4 unused monitors, a dozen ISO's
>> > > on the server, vidoes, audio resources, 30 gigs of documentaion, just about
>> > > anything your heart can delight in.
>> > >
>> > > We can organize and control the invasion of a medium sized country with
>> > > NYLXS resources.
>> > >
>> > > Ruben
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> -ron
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> > >> > On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 04:42:48AM -0500, Ronny Abraham wrote:
>> > >> >> Ah, OK, thank you for clarifying that.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> > >> >> > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:25:31PM -0500, Ronny Abraham wrote:
>> > >> >> >> Uh, I am starting to feel a bit uncomfortable. Are you saying that if
>> > >> >> >> I decide to create an free outliner program outside of NYLXS, I can't?
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > How would I have the authority to say that? I'm saying that if NYLXS is
>> > >> >> > doing this, then it is by NYLXS standards. If you want to do something
>> > >> >> > outside of NYLXS why are we having this conversation. This started with
>> > >> >> > Evan's call for more NYLXS projects.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Ruben
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I understand your discomfort ron, but trust me, its not half as bad as
>> > >> > the pain of investing 100's of hours into projects to only have them
>> > >> > unravel because someone walks away with a significant portion of "our"
>> > >> > team effort.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Aside from that, we pay almost 200 bucks a month to host this stuff, and
>> > >> > we have powerful tools...far more powerful than anything google can
>> > >> > offer. We should use them instead of wasting them in a
>> > >> > burst of the latest online traps.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Ruben
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> >> -ron
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
>> > >> > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> > >> >
>> > >> > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>> > >> >
>> > >> > http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
>> > >> > You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
>> > >> >
>> > >> > (c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
>> > >> >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
>> > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> > >
>> > > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>> > >
>> > > http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>> > >
>> > > "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>> > >
>> > > "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
>> > >
>> > > "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
>> > > You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
>> > >
>> > > (c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
>> > >
>>
>> --
>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>>
>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>>
>> http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>>
>> "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>>
>> "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
>>
>> "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
>> You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
>>
>> (c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
>>
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