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| DATE | 2008-11-10 |
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] just to much to bare
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:38:19 -0500
From: "Ronny Abraham"
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Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] just to much to bare
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Institutional bs. Happens to every large organization of people.
On Nov 10, 2008 2:16 AM, "Ruben Safir" wrote:
Less filling, Great taste:
Scenes of chaos as the church brawl breaks out
Israeli police have had to restore order at one of Christianity's
holiest sites after a mass brawl broke out between monks in Jerusalem's
Old City.
Fighting erupted between Greek Orthodox and Armenian monks at the Church
of the Holy Sepulchre, the traditional site of Christ's crucifixion.
Two monks from each side were detained as dozens of worshippers traded
kicks and punches at the shrine, said police.
Trouble flared as Armenians prepared to mark the annual Feast of the
Cross.
Tapestries toppled
Shocked pilgrims looked on as decorations and tapestries were toppled
during Sunday's clash.
Dressed in the vestments of the Greek Orthodox and Armenian
denominations, rival monks threw punches and anything they could lay
their hands on.
The Greeks blamed the Armenians for not recognising their rights inside
the holy site, while the Armenians said the Greeks had violated one of
their traditional ceremonies.
Israeli policemen scuffle with an Armenian altar boy during a fight at
the Church of the Holy Sepulchre on 9 November2008
Clashes between Christian sects in the ancient church are not uncommon
An Armenian clergyman said the Greek clergy had tried to place one of
their monks inside the Edicule, an ancient structure which is said to
encase the tomb of Jesus.
"What is happening here is a violation of status quo. The Greeks have
tried so many times to put their monk inside the tomb but they don't
have the right to when the Armenians are celebrating the feast," he
said.
The Armenians had been preparing to commemorate the 4th Century
discovery of the cross believed to have been used to crucify Jesus.
A Greek clergyman said: "We protested peacefully, we stood here in the
middle and we claimed that we shall not leave the procession finished
unless they leave our guardian be inside. This didn't happen and in that
moment the police interfered."
Six Christian sects share control of the ancient church and the BBC's
Wyre Davies in Jerusalem says confrontations between them are not
uncommon, but rarely descend into violence.
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir
2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our
own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been
attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you
missed that one."
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Institutional bs. Happens to every large organization of people.
On Nov 10, 2008 2:16 AM, "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
Less filling, Great taste:
Scenes of chaos as the church brawl breaks out
Israeli police have had to restore order at one of Christianity's
holiest sites after a mass brawl broke out between monks in Jerusalem's
Old City.
Fighting erupted between Greek Orthodox and Armenian monks at the Church
of the Holy Sepulchre, the traditional site of Christ's crucifixion.
Two monks from each side were detained as dozens of worshippers traded
kicks and punches at the shrine, said police.
Trouble flared as Armenians prepared to mark the annual Feast of the
Cross.
Tapestries toppled
Shocked pilgrims looked on as decorations and tapestries were toppled
during Sunday's clash.
Dressed in the vestments of the Greek Orthodox and Armenian
denominations, rival monks threw punches and anything they could lay
their hands on.
The Greeks blamed the Armenians for not recognising their rights inside
the holy site, while the Armenians said the Greeks had violated one of
their traditional ceremonies.
Israeli policemen scuffle with an Armenian altar boy during a fight at
the Church of the Holy Sepulchre on 9 November2008
Clashes between Christian sects in the ancient church are not uncommon
An Armenian clergyman said the Greek clergy had tried to place one of
their monks inside the Edicule, an ancient structure which is said to
encase the tomb of Jesus.
"What is happening here is a violation of status quo. The Greeks have
tried so many times to put their monk inside the tomb but they don't
have the right to when the Armenians are celebrating the feast," he
said.
The Armenians had been preparing to commemorate the 4th Century
discovery of the cross believed to have been used to crucify Jesus.
A Greek clergyman said: "We protested peacefully, we stood here in the
middle and we claimed that we shall not leave the procession finished
unless they leave our guardian be inside. This didn't happen and in that
moment the police interfered."
Six Christian sects share control of the ancient church and the BBC's
Wyre Davies in Jerusalem says confrontations between them are not
uncommon, but rarely descend into violence.
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
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Institutional bs. Happens to every large organization of people.
On Nov 10, 2008 2:16 AM, "Ruben Safir" wrote:
Less filling, Great taste:
Scenes of chaos as the church brawl breaks out
Israeli police have had to restore order at one of Christianity's
holiest sites after a mass brawl broke out between monks in Jerusalem's
Old City.
Fighting erupted between Greek Orthodox and Armenian monks at the Church
of the Holy Sepulchre, the traditional site of Christ's crucifixion.
Two monks from each side were detained as dozens of worshippers traded
kicks and punches at the shrine, said police.
Trouble flared as Armenians prepared to mark the annual Feast of the
Cross.
Tapestries toppled
Shocked pilgrims looked on as decorations and tapestries were toppled
during Sunday's clash.
Dressed in the vestments of the Greek Orthodox and Armenian
denominations, rival monks threw punches and anything they could lay
their hands on.
The Greeks blamed the Armenians for not recognising their rights inside
the holy site, while the Armenians said the Greeks had violated one of
their traditional ceremonies.
Israeli policemen scuffle with an Armenian altar boy during a fight at
the Church of the Holy Sepulchre on 9 November2008
Clashes between Christian sects in the ancient church are not uncommon
An Armenian clergyman said the Greek clergy had tried to place one of
their monks inside the Edicule, an ancient structure which is said to
encase the tomb of Jesus.
"What is happening here is a violation of status quo. The Greeks have
tried so many times to put their monk inside the tomb but they don't
have the right to when the Armenians are celebrating the feast," he
said.
The Armenians had been preparing to commemorate the 4th Century
discovery of the cross believed to have been used to crucify Jesus.
A Greek clergyman said: "We protested peacefully, we stood here in the
middle and we claimed that we shall not leave the procession finished
unless they leave our guardian be inside. This didn't happen and in that
moment the police interfered."
Six Christian sects share control of the ancient church and the BBC's
Wyre Davies in Jerusalem says confrontations between them are not
uncommon, but rarely descend into violence.
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir
2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our
own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been
attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you
missed that one."
(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Institutional bs. Happens to every large organization of people.
On Nov 10, 2008 2:16 AM, "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
Less filling, Great taste:
Scenes of chaos as the church brawl breaks out
Israeli police have had to restore order at one of Christianity's
holiest sites after a mass brawl broke out between monks in Jerusalem's
Old City.
Fighting erupted between Greek Orthodox and Armenian monks at the Church
of the Holy Sepulchre, the traditional site of Christ's crucifixion.
Two monks from each side were detained as dozens of worshippers traded
kicks and punches at the shrine, said police.
Trouble flared as Armenians prepared to mark the annual Feast of the
Cross.
Tapestries toppled
Shocked pilgrims looked on as decorations and tapestries were toppled
during Sunday's clash.
Dressed in the vestments of the Greek Orthodox and Armenian
denominations, rival monks threw punches and anything they could lay
their hands on.
The Greeks blamed the Armenians for not recognising their rights inside
the holy site, while the Armenians said the Greeks had violated one of
their traditional ceremonies.
Israeli policemen scuffle with an Armenian altar boy during a fight at
the Church of the Holy Sepulchre on 9 November2008
Clashes between Christian sects in the ancient church are not uncommon
An Armenian clergyman said the Greek clergy had tried to place one of
their monks inside the Edicule, an ancient structure which is said to
encase the tomb of Jesus.
"What is happening here is a violation of status quo. The Greeks have
tried so many times to put their monk inside the tomb but they don't
have the right to when the Armenians are celebrating the feast," he
said.
The Armenians had been preparing to commemorate the 4th Century
discovery of the cross believed to have been used to crucify Jesus.
A Greek clergyman said: "We protested peacefully, we stood here in the
middle and we claimed that we shall not leave the procession finished
unless they leave our guardian be inside. This didn't happen and in that
moment the police interfered."
Six Christian sects share control of the ancient church and the BBC's
Wyre Davies in Jerusalem says confrontations between them are not
uncommon, but rarely descend into violence.
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
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