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| DATE | 2008-10-08 |
| FROM | From: "Paul Robert Marino"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Embperl Abandoned: Next Steps?
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One other thing you might also want to look at is Mason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_(Perl)
http://www.masonbook.com/
http://www.masonhq.com/
It is similar to embperl but is more actively developed has more
documentation and a larger user base. Although if embperl is still
under active development i could see how you would want to stick with
embperl so you could reuse code you have already written over the
years.
One more correction id like to make to an earlier statement the most
of the CGI modules are not Apache specific they are generic however if
they detect that they are running in mod_perl they will utilize it.
The trick there is the the CGI module and mod_perl were both written
by Lincoln Stein so they actually do have optimizations for each
other. That being said I've used the CGI module for scripts served by
Apache, Webmin, thttpd, and yes even command line scripts and cron
jobs. When you have a script that send out email reports html content
give it a nice aesthetic touch, plus most spread sheat programs can
import HTML tables more easily then CSV because they don't need to
guess at the column and row delimiters.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 07:09:36PM -0400, Williams, David G. (HQ-JF000)[INDUS] wrote:
>> If embperl has not been abandoned, tell me, when was the last time
>> someone heard from Gerald?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 3G
>>
>
>
> Hello David
>
> Evidently, as it was later posted on the thread, someone called him
> and he said that he's been busy and still using it for his own business
> but hasn't had time for the list of late, but that a new version is
> presently in the works.
>
> So, I guess the thing to remember is that its a volunteer effort and
> since he's been doing this now for almost a decade, I'd take the poster
> at his word.
>
> Ruben
>
>> On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:04 PM, "Ruben Safir" wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 03:37:36PM -0700, Elfen Magix wrote:
>> >>I use Perl-CGI instead of EmbedPerl, but I can see where it can be
>> >>advantagous to have it. Saddly PHP is becoming the more popular of
>> >>the two languages, considering since PHP came from Perl to begin
>> >>with!
>> >>
>> >>Just my 2-cents, I dont want to see it die even though I currently
>> >>use it.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Actually, Embperl is staying and not abandoned. The report was wrong.
>> >
>> >That being said, Perl-CGI is nothing like embperl
>> >
>> >Perl is a language. CGI is an apache interface that can be used with
>> >any language. Perl has modules to help use a CGI interface.
>> >
>> >Embperl is like CGI (but faster and easier to use).
>> >
>> >Ruben
>> >
>> >>--- On Wed, 10/8/08, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> >>From: Ruben Safir
>> >>Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Embperl Abandoned: Next Steps?
>> >>To: "Williams, David G. (HQ-JF000)[INDUS]"
>> >>
>> >>Cc: embperl-at-perl.apache.org, hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
>> >>Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:43 AM
>> >>
>> >>Williams, David G. (HQ-JF000)[INDUS] wrote:
>> >>>It now seems abundantly clear that Embperl development/discussion
>> >>>has
>> >>>become very dormant. Perhaps it has been abandoned. I don't wish
>> >>>to
>> >>>criticize Gerald for abandoning this project, rather, I would like
>> >>>to
>> >>>thank him for his fine work. I have been using Embperl
>> >>>professionally
>> >>>since the beginning and am very grateful to him.
>> >>>
>> >>>Now I am at a crossroads of sorts - I have to choose between
>> >>>continuing
>> >>>to develop in Embperl or migrating my code (lots of it) to another
>> >>>product that is actively supported. I think it's hard for me to
>> >>justify
>> >>>continuing Embperl development to my client given that the product
>> >>>lacks:
>> >>>- support
>> >>>- ample documentation
>> >>>- an active community (a la PHP) (and no, I do not like or
>> >>>advocate PHP)
>> >>>
>> >>>So my question to the community (what's left of it) is this: which
>> >>>language/product should I use instead of Embperl/Embperl Object?
>> >>>Here
>> >>>are my priorities:
>> >>>- Camelness: I would prefer to stay under the Perl umbrella if
>> >>>possible.
>> >>>I am not unwilling to learn other languages if necessary but Perl
>> >>>rocks!
>> >>>- Power: Properly implemented, Embperl/Embperl Object is VERY
>> >>>powerful
>> >>>and productive. I don't want to downgrade to an inferior product
>> >>>- Open Source: of course
>> >>>- Continuity: I need to choose a product that is not on it's way to
>> >>>retirement
>> >>>- Documentation: Something well documented (perhaps supported by an
>> >>>O'Reilly book).
>> >>>- Community: There should be an active community with active
>> >>>discussion
>> >>>boards and more than one person enhancing/maintaining the product
>> >>>- Linux: Microsoft is out of the question.
>> >>>
>> >>>Thank you very much for your time.
>> >>>
>> >>>David G. Williams
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>I still use it and it just works. Does it need more development?
>> >>
>> >>Ruben
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >--
>> >http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
>> >http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> >
>> >So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn,
>> >like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the
>> >world - RI Safir 1998
>> >
>> >http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS -
>> >RI Safir 2002
>> >
>> >"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>> >
>> >"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming
>> >sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to
>> >participate in our own society."
>> >
>> >"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
>> >damned.<
>> >You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology
>> >have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient
>> >Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
>> >
>> >Â(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
>
> --
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>
> http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
> "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>
> "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
>
> "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
> You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
>
> (c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
>
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