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| DATE | 2008-04-12 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 01:39:36PM -0400, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
> Rebun I have the video it is in .vob format 3.17 gigs.
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You know this is a know spammer who is getting
free advertizing space on out mailing list now?
Ruben
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> Ruben Safir wrote:
> >Ah - here you are in the spam filter.
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:10:11PM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> >
> >>Ruben,
> >>
> >>I admire your passion and knowledge of the subject, but the expression
> >>is misdirected. I am not asking you to sign anything. i am not accusing
> >>you
> >>of anything. I merely asked you about where we go from here.
> >>
> >>It is not Bassam who is to blame if you want to end our progress up to
> >>this
> >>point. Bassam is a musician who has had bad experiences, he has every
> >>right
> >>to be nervous. This is his work, and we all have to bend to our colleagues
> >>sometimes, even if they are wrong or paranoid or whatever the case may be.
> >>
> >
> >I'm not sure what issues Bassam has had previously but it is axiomatic
> >on my part that I'm not going to sign anything which restricts my
> >abilty to make works available and to education, especially in light
> >of the extremely debilitary way copyright law is currently. And I need
> >open and free cooperation to help promote something, which is so time
> >consuming I can't even begin to express it.
> >
> >I don't believe that it i shwed business to close off the distribution
> >and promotion of works, especially when trying to develop schools,
> >especially
> >in a small narrow cultural segment, especially when the word 'Arabic'
> >itself
> >creates visereral negitive emotional reactions by Americans which
> >additionally
> >needs to be hopped over.
> >
> >When I suggested he was a perfectionist, it was actually a hope on my part
> >that he was artistically motivated, and not legally motivated.
> >Artistically
> >motivated I can eventually work with because I'm comited to helping people
> >with worthwhile contributions to make find ways to promote their
> >contributions
> >to society. But a legal and "business" motivation is a black hole contrary
> >to my most basic efforts (and your basic efforts as well).
> >
> >This line of thinking is a trap. If you beat people over the head wit
> >legal
> >restrictions then either they'll just ignor the law anyway and perform
> >copyright violations, or they'll just ignor you and forget about you
> >because nobody outside of a few lawyers wants to be bothered with
> >threats to be sued.
> >
> >Take some time out and lookup vitalbooks and Ruben Safir, and see the
> >Creative Commons by Lawrence Lessig, which I don't entirely agree with
> >but is a good starting point.
> >
> >Promoting creative work which are singlerly controlled by a single
> >entitey lock stock and barrel is something I don't want to promote.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I personally trusted you, that's why I got you involved. But I don't
> >>promise
> >>every creative person I am associated with also has a keen business sense
> >>and knowledge of modern-day technology.
> >>
> >
> >Of course. I've been at this now for 8 years. I think I'm aware of both
> >the terrain. I feel like a tape recorder sometimes.
> >
> >But know whati'm saying
> >
> > We intimately share our civilization. You and I, and 10 billion
> >other people who yearn for freedom, knowedge, and the ability to
> >participate
> >and share. We can work together to turn ignorance and suffering into
> >education and light, or we can chase false pretenses which hurt us all.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Let's start over and try to move forward.
> >>
> >
> >Your a very smart girl, April. Talented beyound I think even your fully
> >aware,
> >and have a huge future in store for yourself.
> >
> >You know what you have to do.
> >
> >>April
> >>
> >
> >Ruben
> >
> >>On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 01:05:42PM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hi Rubin,
> >>>>I'm not sure I understood your email fully. So where are you
> >>>>posting/archiving the video? We are proceeding forward as usual I
> >>>>
> >>>assume..
> >>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>April
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I have a political organization called New Yorkers for Fair Use. It
> >>>fights
> >>>against restrictive copyright laws. I wouldn't sign any copyright
> >>>contracts.
> >>>
> >>>I believe that restrictive copyrights, especially in the digital arena,
> >>>obstructs
> >>>education, economic development, impedes cultural exchange, and endangers
> >>>creatitivy.
> >>>
> >>>Furthermore, I talked at length to your cameraman. He said that Basaam
> >>>was very slow
> >>>in signing even the consent for an interview. That is just bizzare
> >>>because the boy,
> >>>I forgot his name, doesn't need a consent for an interview in the first
> >>>place.
> >>>No one can tell him what he can and can not write. This really gets
> >>>twisted.
> >>>
> >>>Regardless, what your trying to accomplish, cultural exchange and
> >>>education is
> >>>absolutely inconsistant with the position Basaam has taken, and frankly,
> >>>I'm
> >>>offended by sentence "We are legally bound, and there are repercussions".
> >>>
> >>>I have about a dozen lawyers who work with NY Fair Use.
> >>>
> >>>You are NOT legally bound and I certainly wouldn't get involved with
> >>>any contractial agreements which would make me legally bound.
> >>>
> >>>We will put the tape into our archive. We have no reasonable fair use
> >>>purpose for any of it's content at the moment, but it is footage of
> >>>authentic middle eastern classical music and it might come in handy
> >>>for something important some day.
> >>>
> >>>Meanwhile, the spirit of this is not conduscive to your mission. It's
> >>>completely
> >>>contrary to mine. You might not relize that yet, but your a bright
> >>>women,
> >>>and eventually you'll figure that out.
> >>>
> >>>Keep in mind, the entire genera of Jazz would not have developed if faced
> >>>with this kind of legal bluster.
> >>>
> >>>"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> >>>our
> >>>own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
> >>>society."
> >>>
> >>>I'm not a sharecropper.
> >>>
> >>>Ruben
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 12:42:14AM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi Rubin,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Thanks so much for attending last Thursday. Did you set up the
> >>>>>>
> >>>video?
> >>>
> >>>>>It's
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>very important that it is not broadcasted, and not just because we
> >>>>>>
> >>>are
> >>>
> >>>>>>perfectionists. :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>We are legally bound, and there are repercussions if it's let out
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>without
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>being approved and signed off by contract. This private area on your
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>site
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>sounds satisfactory. The camera man we had we personally hired. Even
> >>>>>>allowed by invitation to tape, he still had to sign a contract
> >>>>>>
> >>>ensuring
> >>>
> >>>>>>there would be no private distribution.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Yeah - I'm not going to do that because I find that to be imoral
> >>>>>in principle. I spoke to the kid on the subway hope and he made
> >>>>>clear that its too difficult to get anything done with regard to
> >>>>>promotion and education with the ensemble and/or school. I would
> >>>>>never ever sign such a contract.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I don't have time to educate anyone right now on the damage such
> >>>>>use of copyright poses to public education, not to mention the
> >>>>>damage it does to promotion of individual artists and schools,
> >>>>>but I'm going to back off this project for other artists and
> >>>>>educational programs that permit collaberation and education.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'm cc'ing Michael on this. We'll likely to just privately archive
> >>>>>the tape since I hate to destroy information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Good luck April. Your very very talented.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ruben
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> >>>>>http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn,
> >>>>>
> >>>like
> >>>
> >>>>>Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world -
> >>>>>
> >>>RI
> >>>
> >>>>>Safir 1998
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> >>>>>Safir 2002
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers
> >>>>>
> >>>to
> >>>
> >>>>>our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our
> >>>>>
> >>>own
> >>>
> >>>>>society."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> >>>>>damned.<
> >>>>>You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology
> >>>>>
> >>>have
> >>>
> >>>>>been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I
> >>>>>
> >>>guess
> >>>
> >>>>>you missed that one."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> >>>http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >>>
> >>>So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
> >>>Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
> >>>Safir 1998
> >>>
> >>>http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> >>>Safir 2002
> >>>
> >>>"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> >>>
> >>>"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> >>>our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our
> >>>own
> >>>society."
> >>>
> >>>"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> >>>damned.<
> >>>You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
> >>>been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
> >>>you missed that one."
> >>>
> >>>(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>April Centrone
> >>www.myspace.com/aprilsoprano321
> >>april.centrone-at-gmail.com
> >>732-895-5357
> >>
> >
> >
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
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