MESSAGE
| DATE | 2008-04-11 |
| FROM | ronny abraham
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
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Two words, SPELL CHECK.
-ron
On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 12:48 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> Ah - here you are in the spam filter.
>
> On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:10:11PM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> > Ruben,
> >
> > I admire your passion and knowledge of the subject, but the expression
> > is misdirected. I am not asking you to sign anything. i am not accusing you
> > of anything. I merely asked you about where we go from here.
> >
> > It is not Bassam who is to blame if you want to end our progress up to this
> > point. Bassam is a musician who has had bad experiences, he has every right
> > to be nervous. This is his work, and we all have to bend to our colleagues
> > sometimes, even if they are wrong or paranoid or whatever the case may be.
>
> I'm not sure what issues Bassam has had previously but it is axiomatic
> on my part that I'm not going to sign anything which restricts my
> abilty to make works available and to education, especially in light
> of the extremely debilitary way copyright law is currently. And I need
> open and free cooperation to help promote something, which is so time
> consuming I can't even begin to express it.
>
> I don't believe that it i shwed business to close off the distribution
> and promotion of works, especially when trying to develop schools, especially
> in a small narrow cultural segment, especially when the word 'Arabic' itself
> creates visereral negitive emotional reactions by Americans which additionally
> needs to be hopped over.
>
> When I suggested he was a perfectionist, it was actually a hope on my part
> that he was artistically motivated, and not legally motivated. Artistically
> motivated I can eventually work with because I'm comited to helping people
> with worthwhile contributions to make find ways to promote their contributions
> to society. But a legal and "business" motivation is a black hole contrary
> to my most basic efforts (and your basic efforts as well).
>
> This line of thinking is a trap. If you beat people over the head wit legal
> restrictions then either they'll just ignor the law anyway and perform
> copyright violations, or they'll just ignor you and forget about you
> because nobody outside of a few lawyers wants to be bothered with
> threats to be sued.
>
> Take some time out and lookup vitalbooks and Ruben Safir, and see the
> Creative Commons by Lawrence Lessig, which I don't entirely agree with
> but is a good starting point.
>
> Promoting creative work which are singlerly controlled by a single
> entitey lock stock and barrel is something I don't want to promote.
>
>
>
> >
> > I personally trusted you, that's why I got you involved. But I don't promise
> > every creative person I am associated with also has a keen business sense
> > and knowledge of modern-day technology.
>
> Of course. I've been at this now for 8 years. I think I'm aware of both
> the terrain. I feel like a tape recorder sometimes.
>
> But know whati'm saying
>
> We intimately share our civilization. You and I, and 10 billion
> other people who yearn for freedom, knowedge, and the ability to participate
> and share. We can work together to turn ignorance and suffering into
> education and light, or we can chase false pretenses which hurt us all.
>
>
> >
> > Let's start over and try to move forward.
>
> Your a very smart girl, April. Talented beyound I think even your fully aware,
> and have a huge future in store for yourself.
>
> You know what you have to do.
> >
> > April
>
> Ruben
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 01:05:42PM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> > > > Hi Rubin,
> > > > I'm not sure I understood your email fully. So where are you
> > > > posting/archiving the video? We are proceeding forward as usual I
> > > assume..
> > > > thanks,
> > > > April
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a political organization called New Yorkers for Fair Use. It
> > > fights
> > > against restrictive copyright laws. I wouldn't sign any copyright
> > > contracts.
> > >
> > > I believe that restrictive copyrights, especially in the digital arena,
> > > obstructs
> > > education, economic development, impedes cultural exchange, and endangers
> > > creatitivy.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, I talked at length to your cameraman. He said that Basaam
> > > was very slow
> > > in signing even the consent for an interview. That is just bizzare
> > > because the boy,
> > > I forgot his name, doesn't need a consent for an interview in the first
> > > place.
> > > No one can tell him what he can and can not write. This really gets
> > > twisted.
> > >
> > > Regardless, what your trying to accomplish, cultural exchange and
> > > education is
> > > absolutely inconsistant with the position Basaam has taken, and frankly,
> > > I'm
> > > offended by sentence "We are legally bound, and there are repercussions".
> > >
> > > I have about a dozen lawyers who work with NY Fair Use.
> > >
> > > You are NOT legally bound and I certainly wouldn't get involved with
> > > any contractial agreements which would make me legally bound.
> > >
> > > We will put the tape into our archive. We have no reasonable fair use
> > > purpose for any of it's content at the moment, but it is footage of
> > > authentic middle eastern classical music and it might come in handy
> > > for something important some day.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, the spirit of this is not conduscive to your mission. It's
> > > completely
> > > contrary to mine. You might not relize that yet, but your a bright women,
> > > and eventually you'll figure that out.
> > >
> > > Keep in mind, the entire genera of Jazz would not have developed if faced
> > > with this kind of legal bluster.
> > >
> > > "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> > > our
> > > own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
> > > society."
> > >
> > > I'm not a sharecropper.
> > >
> > > Ruben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 12:42:14AM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Rubin,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks so much for attending last Thursday. Did you set up the
> > > video?
> > > > > It's
> > > > > > very important that it is not broadcasted, and not just because we
> > > are
> > > > > > perfectionists. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are legally bound, and there are repercussions if it's let out
> > > > > without
> > > > > > being approved and signed off by contract. This private area on your
> > > > > site
> > > > > > sounds satisfactory. The camera man we had we personally hired. Even
> > > > > > allowed by invitation to tape, he still had to sign a contract
> > > ensuring
> > > > > > there would be no private distribution.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah - I'm not going to do that because I find that to be imoral
> > > > > in principle. I spoke to the kid on the subway hope and he made
> > > > > clear that its too difficult to get anything done with regard to
> > > > > promotion and education with the ensemble and/or school. I would
> > > > > never ever sign such a contract.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have time to educate anyone right now on the damage such
> > > > > use of copyright poses to public education, not to mention the
> > > > > damage it does to promotion of individual artists and schools,
> > > > > but I'm going to back off this project for other artists and
> > > > > educational programs that permit collaberation and education.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm cc'ing Michael on this. We'll likely to just privately archive
> > > > > the tape since I hate to destroy information.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck April. Your very very talented.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ruben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> > > > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > > > >
> > > > > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn,
> > > like
> > > > > Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world -
> > > RI
> > > > > Safir 1998
> > > > >
> > > > > http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> > > > > Safir 2002
> > > > >
> > > > > "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> > > > >
> > > > > "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers
> > > to
> > > > > our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our
> > > own
> > > > > society."
> > > > >
> > > > > "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> > > > > damned.<
> > > > > You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology
> > > have
> > > > > been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I
> > > guess
> > > > > you missed that one."
> > > > >
> > > > > (c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > >
> > > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
> > > Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
> > > Safir 1998
> > >
> > > http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> > > Safir 2002
> > >
> > > "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> > >
> > > "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> > > our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
> > > society."
> > >
> > > "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> > > damned.<
> > > You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
> > > been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
> > > you missed that one."
> > >
> > > (c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > April Centrone
> > www.myspace.com/aprilsoprano321
> > april.centrone-at-gmail.com
> > 732-895-5357
>
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