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| DATE | 2008-03-28 |
| FROM | From: "Paul Robert Marino"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
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well back to the root of this conversation a little the file system
check is not a constraint of the kernel its actually a setting that is
configured when the file system is created and it can be altered after
the fact (/sbin/tune2fs -c 0 /dev/hd... )however I would not suggest
it for ext3. if you try XFS on open suse (I'm not sure if Ubuntu
supports XFS) instead of ext3 your system would not do this.
however be fore warned as Rubin found out the hard way there is no
undelete on XFS so if you delete a file its gone. this is because xfs
doesn't really have inodes under the hood only meta-data and a
journal.
and the truth of the matter is if you want to taint your free system
with commercial closed source windows software to run on Linux its not
that hard its actually rather easy and I know several people who do
it. here are some links
for windows applications that don't require directx
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/
for windows programs that do require directx (video games)
http://www.transgaming.com/products/cedega/
I my self use Cedega for video games I know some people would ague
with me over doing that but i look at games in the same way as i look
at movies. their both entertainment media and just like with a movie
on a DVD people are not buying the DVD because they want a DVD, they
buy a movie on a DVD because they want to see the movie and that just
happens to be the media its available on. besides im told that "World
Of Warcraft" states very clearly on the bottom of the screen when its
loading that it was compiled by gcc.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Ronny Abraham wrote:
> I think what it comes down to commercial quality apps being available.
> If Adobe CS3 was available for Linux, I would probably chuck the Mac
> part of my dual boot.
>
> Then again, if Adobe did that, it would effectively kill the Gimp
> project. So I suppose it's the nature of trade-offs. Same thing with
> Quicken and GunCash.
>
> -ron
>
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Mark Simko wrote:
>
> It's been true for eons that if you repeat an untruth often enough and
> long enough, and it goes unchallenged, that it becomes the accepted
> truth. I think the Linux desktop is affected by just such an altered
> reality.
>
> I've been using a Linux desktop for well over a year, and it is now also
> my favored OS on dual boot devices such as my laptops.
>
> The Linux desktop is:
>
> Faster
> Has more features
> Is more reliable
> Requires much less maintenance
> Stays current with much less effort
> Costs less to have and maintain
> Takes much less time to maintain
>
> I wish to point out that Vista, even after being available commercially
> for a year, is still not ready for the desktop. That the only other
> desktop OS available from M$ is sunsetting on its availability is going
> to be very difficult to those that are standardized on M$ products. I
> think we'll begin to see a significant migration to Linux, although I
> see an even greater migration to Mac, which has already begun.
>
> That said, Linux could benefit from some work being done on certain
> things. For instance, there is a great need for a commercial grade
> accounting program for Linux. GnuCash needs much more work, and the port
> to Postgres needs polishing. Basing GnuCash on XML is a problem on many
> levels. GnuCash also needs to have a built in year end closing, the
> ability to create customer statements, and the ability to see network
> drives.
>
> Even with the few warts, Linux is much better than what M$ has to offer
> right now. Linuxland should be more attractive to commercial entities
> than it is. Right now, in M$land, if you have a successful product, M$
> will either buy you out and perhaps kill the product, or try to crush
> you by giving away an inferior imitation with it's next service pack.
> Perhaps wider adoption of Linux will make it more attractive to the
> commercial entities.
>
> signing off
> (spell and grammar checked by yours truly)
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 06:05 -0400, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
> Please stop saying that Linux is not ready for the desktop. 1. Every
> time you say it,it turns people off from GNU/Linux OS's. 2. If you wait
> for GNU/Linux OS's to be perfect they never will be. 3. Are there any
> OS's out there that don't have problems?
>
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> Mark Simko wrote:
> That is one reason why Linux is more ready than Windoze.
>
>
> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 12:55 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 06:31:55AM -0400, Scott Ehrlich wrote:
>
> I introduced my parents to Linux [Ubuntu Gutsy] at their place, and they
> tried it for a few days. It was still too new for them, so they opted
> back for Windows.
>
> I was considering re-introducing it to them at some other point, until a
> few days later, my Linux box (Ubuntu) presented me with a reminder why
> Windows and Mac are still desktop-ready, but Linux isn't - the obligatory
> filesystem check if the machine has been rebooted at least 30 times.
>
> This leads me to the question of can this check be turned off? I know it
> is a kernel function, and not distro-based. If it can be turned off, what
> are the consequences?
>
> How do the [net/free/open]BSD families handle checks, since their kernels
> are different, I think.
>
> Thanks for feedback.
>
>
> If GNU/Linux is not ready for the desktop, what else can a person use?
> Seems to me nothing else is better, or even usable.
>
> Ruben
>
>
>
> Scott
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