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| DATE | 2008-01-28 |
| FROM | From: "Michael L. Richardson.com"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Republican Endorsements and the facts
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Ruben the police do have access to psychological counseling.
people did complain and they gave us the citizen review board. (whose
unstated mission to dissmiss compaints).
If I ever get into trouble with the law I want the same consideration the
police get (not equal justice).
as for greater cooperation with the police I find that one to one they are
normal peploe but put two or more together and you are asking for trouble
from them.
The police are a necessary evil.
I stopped reading newspapers years ago.
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:25:56 -0500 "Ronny Abraham"
wrote:
>One more thing. Ruben, it wasn't 2000 murders a month. It was
>(about) 2000 a year. Furthermore the rates were going up long before
>Dinkins got into office, and started going down three years before he
>left it.
>
>Not that I liked the man, thought he was a horrible mayor. Although
>to be fair, he wasn't the worst. Jimmy Walker easily takes that
>prize. There are also quite a number of other rejects ahead of him in
>that regard too.
>
>As for the Times, anyone who believes everything a newspaper (ANY
>newspaper) says, is kidding themselves.
>Newspapers don't exist to tell the truth, they exist to sell papers.
>Period. That's the way it is now, and that's the way it's been,
>literally, since the beginning of the country.
>
>I can introduce you to a fellow who worked in the Koch administration
>who told me how they were constantly incredulous at the way the
>newspapers would print "facts" that had absolutely nothing to do with
>reality. I myself saw how an article in the Jerusalem post regarding
>a local incident (it was a heroic fairy tale) was at complete odds
>with the utter cowardice that the "hero" admitted (in my presence) to
>having shown.
>
>-ron
>
>On Jan 28, 2008 10:38 AM, Ronny Abraham wrote:
>> What you fear or do not fear is of course your own business. But here
>> are the facts.
>>
>> http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
>>
>> If you really have problems with the police, than I suggest you get
>> involved in police advocacy organizations to change the system from
>> the inside as opposed to simply complaining about it.
>>
>> Here are some suggestions:
>>
>> 1. Demand that psychological counseling be made available to all
>> officers to whatever degree required. This is common sense. If I
>> have an armed man walking around and enforcing the law, I obviously
>> want him to be sane.
>>
>> 2. Demand greater involvement on the part of the community with the
>> police. The classic example is Kitty Genovese,
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese The community has this
>> childlike mentality that the police is either a "good daddy" or a "bad
>> daddy". They are not "daddy". They are simply armed men who enforce
>> the law. If people don't work with them, then their job is
>> impossible, frustrating, and they will consequently view everyone in
>> the community as at best, an obstacle. Which will lead to corruption
>> as well as a willingness to work with the criminal element$$ of the
>> community to simply get through the day. Why should they care if we
>> don't? Again, common sense tells us that a police officer is a great
>> deal more likely to treat members of a community with respect if those
>> community members treat his work with respect. Note, I refer to his
>> work, not to him in particular.
>>
>> 3. Demand that they get better pay. You get what you pay for. Think
about it.
>>
>> 4. Demand that the entry requirements are a lot tougher. Do I want a
>> moron or an intelligent person walking around with a gun, making
>> decisions that could either keep me alive or G-d forbid, land me in
>> jail? See #3 and #1
>>
>> 5. Demand that the city take a realistic view with regards to gangs as
>> well as schooling. Since both feed a great deal off the other. I
>> won't bother getting into it, just suffice to say that our treatment
>> of both is a pathetic joke.
>>
>> 6. The one intelligent thing Dinkins did was to start a program
>> calling for more police to walk the beat. Same thing is working now
>> in Iraq. Visibility makes a difference. Hiding in the
>> Precinct/barracks and only coming out to arrest "bad guys" is an
>> exercise in futility.
>>
>> Think about it, if a community (any community) would regularly stage
>> demonstrations in front of city hall arguing that their police
>> officers should have tougher entrance exams, better pay, more
>> community involvement (including watchdog groups), and free
>> psychological counseling for however much they felt they needed it;
>> do you honestly think they wouldn't treat that community with respect
>> and consideration?
>>
>> As for Giuliani, well, most of the bitching and complaints about him
>> I've found were either fairly accurate or had basis. I call it
>> "bitching" because usually these complaints lack the perspective that
>> he had real accomplishments and helped out the city tremendously. The
>> man was far from a saint, but it takes a real genius to argue that
>> we're not better off because of him.
>>
>> As for your assertion that the best thing he did was to leave office,
>> I agree with you, believe it or not. I feel he was the right man at
>> the right time for the job, but he did what was needed and the
>> situation called for someone else.
>>
>> -ron
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2008 6:07 PM, Michael L. Richardson
>>
>> wrote:
>> > Not to make light of or minimize what happened, and what your and yours
>> > experienced. The first two still happen they only moved to new
>> > locations. The third one wait for summer. I still fear the police.
>> >
>> > (snip)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I remember my wife being dragged into the Flatbush Avenue train
station
>> > > by a band of HS kids and the owners of the comicbook store running
down the
>> > > stairs to resue them to result in a bloody standoff in which Ellen
finaly
>> > > escaped..
>> > >
>> > > I remember Howard Avenue and Vanderbilt Avenue patrolled up and down
>> > > by drug dealer and 3 infants in a week being shot down in their rooms
>> > > by random gun fire.
>> > >
>> > > I remember a lot of things. I also remember standing on Troy Avenue
>> > > and Eastern Parkway running into a crowd of rioters on the day of the
>> > > riots trying to prevent them from torching a mini-van.
>> > > yeah - I do remmeber.
>> > >
>> > > Ruben
>> > >
>> > >
>> > (snip)
>> >
>>
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