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| DATE | 2007-07-26 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 02:50:56AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> Umm hmm
> Then how do you explain the toll on the Verizano bridge?
> People on Staten Island are charged to leave the island no matter where they
> go unless we take the ferry into Manhattan
> and the ferry is only free because Staten Island voted to succeed from the
> city and the only reason we didn't is that the subject was tabled out of
> existence in Albany. before that we were charged for the bus, train, or
> parking on Staten Island then charged for the ferry then charged for the
> subway once we got to Manhattan.
BTW - I have no idea how Staten Island became part of NYC, but Brooklyn
join NYC on the CONDITION that access to Manhattan would be developed and
maintained. That was the deal. It was cost the City of Brooklyn the development
of its entire central business district which was subjegated to Manhattan
development. How about paying to CROSS the Verrazono and then having to pay
an ADDITIONAL 20 bucks because you have to share the fucking road with a
bunch of gonzos from Conneticut, Westchester and Jersey.
Ruben
>
> Oh also I agree with Ray on the whole Black Sticky residue. I can remember
> when i was a teenager and I was doing a carpentry internship at the south
> street seaport. twice a week we would have to scrub a nearly one inch thick
> layer of black sticky filth off all of the railings and decks in all of the
> closed off out door areas of the ships.
>
> As to the Mayor I'm staying out of it because my opinions of the Guilliani
> administration differ severly from your.
>
>
>
> On 7/25/07, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:23:56PM -0400, email wrote:
> >> I hear you, defiantly, but living on 1st ave is 10 times worse than
> >> living on the edge of the Gowanas Expressway which I did for 18 years.
> >
> >First, there are 2 issue. The first issue is that anything which
> >seperates Brooklyn from Manhattan is a violation of the City's
> >sovernity, and I will not brouch it. The 5 boroughs are 1 city, and
> >we have the right to free travel anywhere in our city, without any other
> >considerations.
> >
> >Secondly, I'm at LICH, right off the Gwonas Expressway, just before it
> >heads under the Promanade. The trafic nighmare for New York is from the
> >Toga Line that comes in over the Verazzano Bridge, from NJ, from the BQE
> >and LIE from Nassua and Suffolk county. I've been subsidizing those
> >pin heads access to NY via car for decades. Just shut off non-residential
> >driving PERIOD, and the problem stops.
> >
> >No more 20 block traffic jams to the Lincoln Tunnel, no more parking lot
> >past Shea Stadium, no more...
> >
> >If you don't live here, don't DRIVE HERE.
> >
> >I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the fcuking MTA
> >screwing me every day and a brainless Manhattan Centric Mayor telling me
> >that
> >I'll be treated like someone from Baldwin.
> >
> >Ruben
> >
> >>
> >> That said there is better than Kings Hwy on a busy day. Traffic sucks
> >> anywhere in this town, but you're forgetting Manhattan gets it from all
> >> angles, not only LI which kills Brooklyn. We get NJ too.
> >>
> >> And yes, moving is an option, one I'm not quick to do. ut next time we
> >> grab a beer in the village I'll show you the inch of soot, rubber &
> >> asphalt dust on my windowsills that settles as quick as I can wipe it.
> >> Pray for my lungs!
> >>
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> Ruben Safir wrote:
> >> >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:51:27PM -0400, email wrote:
> >> >>>we had him treat Brooklynites as second class citizens with the
> >> >>>congestion pricing crap
> >> >>while I see your point, this program has worked wonders in London
> >which
> >> >>is where he got it from. And living in Manhattan is a nightmare with
> >> >>deadly levels of toxic air and noise pollutants, so I have to say I
> >> >>welcome it HUGELY. I am seriously considering moving out of state due
> >> >>to the toxicity of Manhattan, not to mention the danger the traffic
> >> >>brings.
> >> >>
> >> >>Now I will admit, Brooklyn will suffer from the parking hordes, which
> >I
> >> >>hated in the 80's and are exponentially worse now.
> >> >
> >> >Brooklyn carries all that traffic ANYWAY. I will not sit here and be a
> >> >second class
> >> >citizen in my own city. I have every right you do as a Manhattan
> >> >resident. If they
> >> >want to make it a residence driving only city, no problem. But to make
> >me
> >> >equal
> >> >to Hackansak is utter bullshit.
> >> >
> >> >And frankly Ray, I love you, but if you don't like traffic, moving out
> >of
> >> >Manhattan is an option.
> >> >
> >> >Ruben
> >> >
> >
> >--
> >http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> >http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >
> >So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
> >Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
> >Safir 1998
> >
> >http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> >Safir 2002
> >
> >"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> >
> >"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> >our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
> >society."
> >
> >"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> >damned.<
> >You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
> >been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
> >you missed that one."
> >
> >(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> >
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
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