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| DATE | 2007-02-28 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Job Recruiters
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:38:10PM -0500, Ron Guerin wrote:
> It is my understanding that NYLUG is somewhat unusual in its acceptance
> of job recruiters and positions offered by recruiters. (though less
> unusual since the bubble burst) It has always been our policy to
> promote full employment in our community, and so long as they behave,
> accept positions put forward by recruiters.
>
I never allowd recruiters to send anything to our lists or talk at
our meetings unless I personally vetted them first. The problem is
that your not increasing the number of job oppurtunities available
to the community through recruiters when these kind of tactics
are at work. The reasons for this is that they don't have the jobs
they advertize and 5 of them will have the same job.
Confronting this, we set up the Free Software Chamber of Commerce with
varrying levels of success. But I have had in my hands 5 real jobs over the
last 2 weeks or so, in which I suprisingly enough couldn't find peole to
fill.
I wanted to set things up so that NYLXS would get a 10% cut on jobs
to use for marketing and business development for the community as a
whole in NYC. By pulling resources, individual contracters can make
much better guarantees than one could make individually, and we could
churn the right work to the right people, while also bringing people
up to seend on new technology and job skills and being able to therefor
guarantee the quality of the labor.
It was ambitious and we are still dedicated to the full program. Of course,
one of the key peices was to get someone who could do real recruiting for
regular gigs and 9-5's.
If NYLUG or NYLXS could limit access to a single recruiter, the organizations
should be able to recieve a consideration for the relationship, one that is
benificial to the entire community.
Ruben
> Lately however, we seem to be having a lot of trouble. I'm getting
> inappropriate offers from recruiters, and spammed by them on a pretty
> regular basis. We had three recruiters watching Jack doodling in GIMP
> for a half hour just to make a 2 minute pitch at our meeting a few
> months ago. Any debate about whether it's an employer's or an
> employee's market should be over. There's a lot more jobs than there
> are people to fill them. As a result, the recruiters are getting
> desperate and their behavior is becoming unacceptable. I'm not sure who
> it's going to be or why, but I'm pretty sure that we'll be seeing our
> first banning from the jobs system very soon now.
>
> We'd like to hear what your thoughts are about NYLUG-Jobs, and our
> accepting jobs from recruiters. We can discuss it here on the mailing
> list, or you can contact us at info-at-nylug.org
>
> - Ron
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