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DATE 2006-11-21
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9005258&intsrc=hm_list

Eric Lai Today’s Top Stories or Other Linux Stories



November 21, 2006 (Computerworld) -- Novell Inc. on Monday distanced
itself from comments last week by Microsoft Corp. CEO Steve Ballmer that
the Linux operating system infringes on Microsoft patents, although the
two companies said that their recently-unveiled alliance remains
intact.

"We disagree with the recent statements made by Microsoft on the topic
of Linux and patents," Novell CEO Ron Hovsepian wrote in an open letter
posted on Novell's site. "Importantly, our agreement with Microsoft is
in no way an acknowledgment that Linux infringes upon any Microsoft
intellectual property. To claim otherwise is to further sow fear,
uncertainty and doubt, and does not offer a fair basis for
competition."

A once-bitter rival of Microsoft and creator of the SUSE Linux
distribution that competes with Windows, Novell signed an agreement with
Microsoft on Nov. 2 in which both companies pledged to make their
software work together better, help each other with sales and marketing
and protect their corporate customers against possible patent lawsuits.

Microsoft also released a statement, saying that it "respects Novell's
point of view on the patent issue, even while we respectfully take a
different view. Novell is absolutely right in stating that it did not
admit or acknowledge any patent problems as part of entering into the
patent collaboration agreement. At Microsoft, we undertook our own
analysis of our patent portfolio and concluded that it was necessary and
important to create a patent covenant for customers of these products."

When the Nov. 2 pact was announced, Microsoft executives declined to say
whether they felt the Linux OS includes Microsoft intellectual property
or otherwise infringes on its patents.

But in a question-and-answer session at a database conference in Seattle
on Thursday, Ballmer openly asserted that "Linux uses our intellectual
property" and users of the open-source operating system face "an
undisclosed balance-sheet liability" as a result.

The comments appeared to confirm the suspicions of open-source community
members, many of whom criticized the Novell-Microsoft tie-up, arguing
that the deal violates the General Public License (GPL) version 2 under
which Linux is licensed, and gives Microsoft ammunition in case it
chooses to press its patent claims.




On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 02:38 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/universal-music-sues-myspace-copyright/story.aspx?guid=%7B996022C6-18CF-436B-B075-1B1394195555%7D&siteId=
>
> On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 00:39 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 01:48 -0500, rc wrote:
> > > > "The war is over. Linux won."
> > >
> > > But... Microsoft 0wnz Linux according to Ballmer ...d'oh!
> > >
> > > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9005171&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
> > >
> >
> >
> > I want to see Balmer actually sue IBM, the FSF and Red Hat for use of
> > their "property". I'm just so sick of junk like this and they can
> > scratch my rear. I'd like to see him send me a bill personally. In
> > fact that should be the next NYLXS campaign to get every human being
> > possible who runs Free Software to beg Microsoft to send them a bill for
> > their use of Microsoft technology monopolies in Free Software and then
> > we can send them all the Attorney Generals office as business fraud and
> > start a whopping class action suit. Its time for some of of those ill
> > gotten Microsoft dollars to float back to the victims of their illegal
> > activities and this seems like a helva better way to accomplish this
> > than the governments antimonpoly suit.
> >
> > I have one question. If this jackle in MS colors is so sure of himself,
> > then why is it that Novell gets more money out of this deal than MS and
> > there is ***NO*** specific admission by Novell of any trespass by any
> > Free Software of any Microsoft legal rights with regard to dubious
> > copyright or non-existant patents.
> >
> > I smell a big pay day here for everyone who ever used Free Software and
> > Balmer might have finally walked into the trap lying for him for many
> > years.
> >
> > We can get the ball rolling and fast. Lets just spread this message
> > around and see what can stick.
> >
> > Ruben

>

  1. 2006-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something truly worth sharing -- ris
  2. 2006-11-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Lead developer/Hopewell, NJ/6 + Months]
  3. 2006-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell self destruction
  4. 2006-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Microsoft Linux
  5. 2006-11-08 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Microsoft Linux
  6. 2006-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Microsoft Linux
  7. 2006-11-08 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: XenEnterprise 3.1 for Windows and Linux]
  8. 2006-11-13 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: FSM newsletter: FSM Newsletter 13th of November 2006
  9. 2006-11-13 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Reactions to Novell's Announcement to Work with Microsoft
  10. 2006-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: SuitWatch - November 14]
  11. 2006-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  12. 2006-11-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  13. 2006-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  14. 2006-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [DSalinas-at-1199ccf.org: Interested in Linux Courses]
  15. 2006-11-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  16. 2006-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  17. 2006-11-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  18. 2006-11-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  19. 2006-11-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  20. 2006-11-18 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  21. 2006-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  22. 2006-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
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  24. 2006-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  25. 2006-11-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  26. 2006-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  27. 2006-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  28. 2006-11-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  29. 2006-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  30. 2006-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use and the DMCA FORBES
  31. 2006-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] when a flame is sociopathic ....
  32. 2006-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] crossfire scripting for boys and girls
  33. 2006-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (November 27, 2006).]
  34. 2006-11-29 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kids & Linux
  35. 2006-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kids & Linux

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