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MESSAGE
DATE 2006-11-17
FROM Ron Guerin
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
Billy wrote:
>
> On Nov 15, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Ron Guerin wrote:
>
>> Ruben Safir wrote:
>>> Sun to release OpenSolaris under the GPL?
>>>
>>> 11/14/2006 6:50:35 PM, by Ryan Paul
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Sun's current interest in the GPL is likely a result of Green's
>>> influence.
>>
>> Uhm. No. Actually no need to speculate about it, since Schwartz already
>> told us what their current interest in the GPL is. The Microsoft-Novell
>> deal has shown them the error of their ways.
>
> I don't know what this means.

You'll see the response to Ruben first, but..

And in closing, I want to put one nagging item to rest.

By admitting that one of the strongest motivations to select the
GPL was the announcement made last week by Novell and Microsoft,
suggesting that free and open source software wasn't safe unless a
royalty was being paid. As an executive from one of those companies
said, "free has to have a price."

That's nonsense.

Free software can be free of royalties, and free of impediments to
broadscale, global adoption and deployment. Witness what we've done
with Solaris, and now, what we've done with Java. Developers are free
to pick up the code, and create derivatives. Without royalty or
obligation.

Those that say open source software can't be safe for customers - or
that commercially indemnified software can't foster community - are
merely advancing their own agenda. Without any basis in fact.

They're also fighting a rising tide.

(Jonathan Schwartz)
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/fueling_the_network_effect

Obviously Schwartz is still not quite hitting all the marks. For one,
what we usually mean by Free Software is without royalty, but it's the
obligations that keep the software free. He does seem to have come to
the conclusion that he was wrong before, about what sort of ecosystem
the GPL provides.

- Ron

  1. 2006-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something truly worth sharing -- ris
  2. 2006-11-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Lead developer/Hopewell, NJ/6 + Months]
  3. 2006-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell self destruction
  4. 2006-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Microsoft Linux
  5. 2006-11-08 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Microsoft Linux
  6. 2006-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Microsoft Linux
  7. 2006-11-08 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: XenEnterprise 3.1 for Windows and Linux]
  8. 2006-11-13 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: FSM newsletter: FSM Newsletter 13th of November 2006
  9. 2006-11-13 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Reactions to Novell's Announcement to Work with Microsoft
  10. 2006-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: SuitWatch - November 14]
  11. 2006-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  12. 2006-11-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  13. 2006-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  14. 2006-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [DSalinas-at-1199ccf.org: Interested in Linux Courses]
  15. 2006-11-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  16. 2006-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  17. 2006-11-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  18. 2006-11-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  19. 2006-11-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  20. 2006-11-18 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  21. 2006-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  22. 2006-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  23. 2006-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Everything turns upside down
  24. 2006-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  25. 2006-11-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  26. 2006-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sun and the GPL
  27. 2006-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  28. 2006-11-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  29. 2006-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3 Days Left to Save up to $100]
  30. 2006-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use and the DMCA FORBES
  31. 2006-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] when a flame is sociopathic ....
  32. 2006-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] crossfire scripting for boys and girls
  33. 2006-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (November 27, 2006).]
  34. 2006-11-29 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kids & Linux
  35. 2006-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kids & Linux

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