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| DATE | 2006-06-22 |
| FROM | einker
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| SUBJECT | Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:42:22 -0400
From: einker
To: "Ron Guerin"
Subject: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
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Novell, "being generally market-stupid" has been alienating small and medium
sized businesses by not marketing their Novell Desktop SuSE Client to any
significant degree. Additionally, the "house cleaning" of original SuSE
personnel from Novell has not contributed in any positive fashion.
Netware has nto significantly changed any since version 4.1 and after the
4.0 Marketing Fiasco (early rollout of a buggy Netware 4.0) , Netware has no
choice to but to lose market share each and every year. Currently, Netware
only has approx a 5-6% market share currently in the server market and that
will decrease by at least 1% every year going forward. At this point their
only viable product is SuSE so I do not see selling off SuSE to be an
option. My feeling is that Novell will try to re-market SuSe, especially the
Enterprise Server, but unless intense marketing exposure to Novell Linux
Desktop is seriously attempted, you can just kiss that product good-bye.
Lets also not forget the extremely confusing and illogically structured
Novell Website. I just tried to find pricing on Novell Linux Desktop and can
find maintenance costs per workstation but where are the Small Business
Packages of 5-10 users Novell used to market and why are the Training Kits
and Seminars so expensive to purchase.
On 6/22/06, Ron Guerin wrote:
> (previous copy went out with the wrong sender address)
>
> einker wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: *einker* >
> > Date: Jun 22, 2006 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
> > To: Ruben Safir >
> > Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> >
> > No, the question should be "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?".
> > Novell has consistently screwed up all their marketing and sales efforts
> > since Netware 4.0.
> > Netware is going the way of the DoDo and nothing will change that.
>
> I haven't been a NetWare user since the 3.x days. If the product hasn't
> changed in some substantial way since, there's really no reason someone
> who's never been a NetWare shop before would want to get involved with
> it. It's another case of Microsoft moving in. NetWare used to be the
> only serious game in town. But Windows Networking is "good enough", and
> falls under the "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM
> Microsoft" banner.
>
> > What will happen with Suse is the key question now.
>
> Standard Operating Procedure here is one of two things happens:
>
> 1. Novell somehow manages to survive on its own products,
> and divests itself of SuSE as a "non-core asset", which is
> crazy-moon-speak for "We're selling the only thing we've got
> that's actually worth anything"
>
> 2. Novell throws in the towel, (possibly renaming itself SuSE)
> and end-of-life's their existing product line, and all that
> is left is SuSE.
>
> Since I'm neither a Novell user or a SuSE user, but I do use Gnome and
> Gnome software, I'm more interested in what happens to Ximian, but only
> out of curiosity. Ximian used to be my favorite Linux company, but I
> didn't realize at the time that one of Ximian's core beliefs is that
> anything Microsoft does is enlightened and should be duplicated in GPL
> software right down to the poor design, bloat, and bugs.
>
> It has long been my opinion that Novell's medium, and long-term strategy
> is to be acquired by IBM. I don't see that happening ever, however. If
> at all, IBM will not acquire Novell while it is in possession of a Linux
> distro. You can thank SCO for that.
>
> - Ron
>
>
--
Regards,
Evan M. Inker
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Novell, "being generally market-stupid" has been alienating small=
and medium sized businesses by not marketing their Novell Desktop SuSE Cli=
ent to any significant degree. Additionally, the "house cleaning"=
of original SuSE personnel from Novell has not contributed in any positive=
fashion.
Netware has nto significantly changed any since version 4.1 and aft=
er the 4.0 Marketing Fiasco (early rollout of a buggy Netware 4.0) , Netwar=
e has no choice to but to lose market share each and every year. Currently,=
Netware only has approx a 5-6% market share currently in the server market=
and that will decrease by at least 1% every year going forward. At this po=
int their only viable product is SuSE so I do not see selling off SuSE to b=
e an option. My feeling is that Novell will try to re-market SuSe, especial=
ly the Enterprise Server, but unless intense marketing exposure to Novell L=
inux Desktop is seriously attempted, you can just kiss that product good-by=
e. Lets also not forget the extremely confusing and illogically structured =
Novell Website. I just tried to find pricing on Novell Linux Desktop and ca=
n find maintenance costs per workstation but where are the Small Business P=
ackages of 5-10 users Novell used to market and why are the Training Kits a=
nd Seminars so expensive to purchase.
On 6/22/06, sendername">Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnet=
worx.net> wrote:
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
(previous copy went out with the wrong sender address)
einker wrote:=
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *einker* <=
;eminker-at-gmail.com <mailto:ref=3D"mailto:eminker-at-gmail.com">
eminker-at-gmail.com>>
> Date: Jun 22, 2006 1:22 PM
> Su=
bject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
> To: Ruben Safir <f=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com <mailto:=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">
ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>>
> Cc: yn.com">hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com <mailto:lyn.com">hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com>
>
> No, the question shou=
ld be "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?".
> Novell has consistently screwed up all their marketing and sales e=
fforts
> since Netware 4.0.
> Netware is going the way of the D=
oDo and nothing will change that.
I haven't been a NetWare user sinc=
e the=20
3.x days. If the product hasn't
changed in some substantial w=
ay since, there's really no reason someone
who's never been a NetWare sh=
op before would want to get involved with
it. It's another ca=
se of Microsoft moving in. NetWare used to be the
only serious game in town. But Windows Networking is "g=
ood enough", and
falls under the "Nobody ever got fired for bu=
ying <strike>IBM</strike>
Microsoft" banner.
&g=
t; What will happen with Suse is the key question now.
Standard Operating Procedure here is one of two things happens:
=
1. Novell somehow manages to survive on its own products,r> and divests itself of SuSE as a "non-core a=
sset", which is
crazy-moon-speak for "=
;We're selling the only thing we've got
that's actually worth anything"
&n=
bsp; 2. Novell throws in the towel, (possibly renaming itself SuSE)> and end-of-life's their existing product line, an=
d all that
is left is SuSE.
Since I'm ne=
ither a Novell user or a SuSE user, but I do use Gnome and
Gnome software, I'm more interested in what happens to Ximian, but only=
out of curiosity. Ximian used to be my favorite Linux compan=
y, but I
didn't realize at the time that one of Ximian's core beliefs is=
that
anything Microsoft does is enlightened and should be duplicated in GPL
s=
oftware right down to the poor design, bloat, and bugs.
It has long =
been my opinion that Novell's medium, and long-term strategy
is to be ac=
quired by IBM. I don't see that happening ever, however. &n=
bsp;If
at all, IBM will not acquire Novell while it is in possession of a Linu=
x
distro. You can thank SCO for that.
- Ron
lockquote>
--
Regards,
Evan M. I=
nker
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Novell, "being generally market-stupid" has been alienating small and medium
sized businesses by not marketing their Novell Desktop SuSE Client to any
significant degree. Additionally, the "house cleaning" of original SuSE
personnel from Novell has not contributed in any positive fashion.
Netware has nto significantly changed any since version 4.1 and after the
4.0 Marketing Fiasco (early rollout of a buggy Netware 4.0) , Netware has no
choice to but to lose market share each and every year. Currently, Netware
only has approx a 5-6% market share currently in the server market and that
will decrease by at least 1% every year going forward. At this point their
only viable product is SuSE so I do not see selling off SuSE to be an
option. My feeling is that Novell will try to re-market SuSe, especially the
Enterprise Server, but unless intense marketing exposure to Novell Linux
Desktop is seriously attempted, you can just kiss that product good-bye.
Lets also not forget the extremely confusing and illogically structured
Novell Website. I just tried to find pricing on Novell Linux Desktop and can
find maintenance costs per workstation but where are the Small Business
Packages of 5-10 users Novell used to market and why are the Training Kits
and Seminars so expensive to purchase.
On 6/22/06, Ron Guerin wrote:
> (previous copy went out with the wrong sender address)
>
> einker wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: *einker* >
> > Date: Jun 22, 2006 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
> > To: Ruben Safir >
> > Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> >
> > No, the question should be "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?".
> > Novell has consistently screwed up all their marketing and sales efforts
> > since Netware 4.0.
> > Netware is going the way of the DoDo and nothing will change that.
>
> I haven't been a NetWare user since the 3.x days. If the product hasn't
> changed in some substantial way since, there's really no reason someone
> who's never been a NetWare shop before would want to get involved with
> it. It's another case of Microsoft moving in. NetWare used to be the
> only serious game in town. But Windows Networking is "good enough", and
> falls under the "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM
> Microsoft" banner.
>
> > What will happen with Suse is the key question now.
>
> Standard Operating Procedure here is one of two things happens:
>
> 1. Novell somehow manages to survive on its own products,
> and divests itself of SuSE as a "non-core asset", which is
> crazy-moon-speak for "We're selling the only thing we've got
> that's actually worth anything"
>
> 2. Novell throws in the towel, (possibly renaming itself SuSE)
> and end-of-life's their existing product line, and all that
> is left is SuSE.
>
> Since I'm neither a Novell user or a SuSE user, but I do use Gnome and
> Gnome software, I'm more interested in what happens to Ximian, but only
> out of curiosity. Ximian used to be my favorite Linux company, but I
> didn't realize at the time that one of Ximian's core beliefs is that
> anything Microsoft does is enlightened and should be duplicated in GPL
> software right down to the poor design, bloat, and bugs.
>
> It has long been my opinion that Novell's medium, and long-term strategy
> is to be acquired by IBM. I don't see that happening ever, however. If
> at all, IBM will not acquire Novell while it is in possession of a Linux
> distro. You can thank SCO for that.
>
> - Ron
>
>
--
Regards,
Evan M. Inker
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Novell, "being generally market-stupid" has been alienating small=
and medium sized businesses by not marketing their Novell Desktop SuSE Cli=
ent to any significant degree. Additionally, the "house cleaning"=
of original SuSE personnel from Novell has not contributed in any positive=
fashion.
Netware has nto significantly changed any since version 4.1 and aft=
er the 4.0 Marketing Fiasco (early rollout of a buggy Netware 4.0) , Netwar=
e has no choice to but to lose market share each and every year. Currently,=
Netware only has approx a 5-6% market share currently in the server market=
and that will decrease by at least 1% every year going forward. At this po=
int their only viable product is SuSE so I do not see selling off SuSE to b=
e an option. My feeling is that Novell will try to re-market SuSe, especial=
ly the Enterprise Server, but unless intense marketing exposure to Novell L=
inux Desktop is seriously attempted, you can just kiss that product good-by=
e. Lets also not forget the extremely confusing and illogically structured =
Novell Website. I just tried to find pricing on Novell Linux Desktop and ca=
n find maintenance costs per workstation but where are the Small Business P=
ackages of 5-10 users Novell used to market and why are the Training Kits a=
nd Seminars so expensive to purchase.
On 6/22/06, sendername">Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnet=
worx.net> wrote:
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
(previous copy went out with the wrong sender address)
einker wrote:=
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *einker* <=
;eminker-at-gmail.com <mailto:ref=3D"mailto:eminker-at-gmail.com">
eminker-at-gmail.com>>
> Date: Jun 22, 2006 1:22 PM
> Su=
bject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
> To: Ruben Safir <f=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com <mailto:=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">
ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>>
> Cc: yn.com">hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com <mailto:lyn.com">hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com>
>
> No, the question shou=
ld be "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?".
> Novell has consistently screwed up all their marketing and sales e=
fforts
> since Netware 4.0.
> Netware is going the way of the D=
oDo and nothing will change that.
I haven't been a NetWare user sinc=
e the=20
3.x days. If the product hasn't
changed in some substantial w=
ay since, there's really no reason someone
who's never been a NetWare sh=
op before would want to get involved with
it. It's another ca=
se of Microsoft moving in. NetWare used to be the
only serious game in town. But Windows Networking is "g=
ood enough", and
falls under the "Nobody ever got fired for bu=
ying <strike>IBM</strike>
Microsoft" banner.
&g=
t; What will happen with Suse is the key question now.
Standard Operating Procedure here is one of two things happens:
=
1. Novell somehow manages to survive on its own products,r> and divests itself of SuSE as a "non-core a=
sset", which is
crazy-moon-speak for "=
;We're selling the only thing we've got
that's actually worth anything"
&n=
bsp; 2. Novell throws in the towel, (possibly renaming itself SuSE)> and end-of-life's their existing product line, an=
d all that
is left is SuSE.
Since I'm ne=
ither a Novell user or a SuSE user, but I do use Gnome and
Gnome software, I'm more interested in what happens to Ximian, but only=
out of curiosity. Ximian used to be my favorite Linux compan=
y, but I
didn't realize at the time that one of Ximian's core beliefs is=
that
anything Microsoft does is enlightened and should be duplicated in GPL
s=
oftware right down to the poor design, bloat, and bugs.
It has long =
been my opinion that Novell's medium, and long-term strategy
is to be ac=
quired by IBM. I don't see that happening ever, however. &n=
bsp;If
at all, IBM will not acquire Novell while it is in possession of a Linu=
x
distro. You can thank SCO for that.
- Ron
lockquote>
--
Regards,
Evan M. I=
nker
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