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| DATE | 2006-05-23 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [matt@modestolan.com: [Balug-talk] [Fwd: Mail to balug-talk list] Its a sorry day for?The Linux Journal]
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From: Matt Thrailkill
To: balug-talk-at-lists.balug.org
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:54:46 -0700
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He sent these to me, I didn't notice they were not making the list.
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From: Richard Stallman
Reply-To: rms-at-gnu.org
To: Matt Thrailkill
Subject: Mail to balug-talk list
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:42:25 -0400
I am not on that list, and my messages are bouncing.
Could you send them through? Here are two of them.
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From: Richard Stallman
To: Matt Thrailkill
CC: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com, balug-talk-balug.org-at-lists.balug.org,
hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
In-reply-to: <1148187208.6373.6.camel-at-stoneburner.xwredwing.net> (message from
Matt Thrailkill on Sat, 20 May 2006 21:53:28 -0700)
Subject: Re: [Balug-talk] [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Its a sorry day for The Linux
Journal
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<20060520135142.GA4204-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <1148187208.6373.6.camel-at-stoneburner.xwredwing.net>
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It seems to me like you have two philosophies, the open source
philosophy and the free software philosophy. One is heavy on
pragmatism, one is heavy on ideology.
It is a mistake to treat pragmatism and ideology as alternatives.
They are on different, orthogonal dimensions.
The free software movement and the open source activity have different
goals and values; free software has ethical and social goals, while
open source has purely practical goals. However, each of these
campaigns is pragmatic about achieving its goals.
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To: Matt Thrailkill
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hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
In-reply-to: <1148267730.6373.12.camel-at-stoneburner.xwredwing.net> (message
from Matt Thrailkill on Sun, 21 May 2006 20:15:30 -0700)
Subject: Re: [Balug-talk] [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Its a sorry day for The Linux
Journal
bcc: rms-outgoing-at-gnu.org
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References: <1148075379.17493.32.camel-at-stat29.mrbrklyn.com>
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So would it make sense to graph these things, put a quotient of how
ethical a project is on one axis and a quotient of how practical it is
on another. Should the goal then be to maximize the amount of
practicality and ethicality at once, or sacrifice one for the sake of
increasing the other?
Taking the long view makes this issue clearer. Suppose today we have
a choice between program A that is convenient and proprietary, and
program B that is free but not very powerful and reliable. What we
want is software that is convenient and respects our freedom. How can
we get that?
We can get there starting from B if we work on it.
We cannot get there at all starting from A.
So the choice is clear: we have to start from B and improve it
practically.
--
Matt Thrailkill
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