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MESSAGE
DATE 2005-09-03
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [DMCA-Activists] RMS on EFF: Federal Court Slams Door on

>
> Ironically, the EFF statement endorses the thinking that gave us
> the DMCA, by harping on "legitimately purchased products" as if
> that made a difference. The phrase is clearly meant to refer to
> "authorized copies", which it makes the implicit assertion that
> authorized copies are legitimate and that unauthorized copies are
> not.
>


there are times Richard makes errors and this might be one of them. The
logic here, believe, is that if one concedes the point that a there can
be moral and legal control of access to creative works, then the whole
abusive copyright/private property/DRM possible and even likely. This
is not really true.

Your not allowed under any condition to walk into J&R's and steal a copy
of Photoshop. But once you purchase a copy, then you should have the
legal right to copy it and use in on any computer of your choice. You
own it, it is your fair use property rights to do what you want with it
outside of selling copies of it.

Furthermore, you need to be allowed to pick it apart to see how it
works, improve it and even release delta improvements to the public.

These are all fair use, and your private property rights.

Under Richards logic here, the GPL itself is contributing to the DRM
threat. I don't believe that, nor do I believe that the EFF's logic in
this case is faulted. I must be allowed to use, copy and manipulate my
own private property without the expressed written permission of someone
else. But that doesn't give me to steal it, and I mean real stealing,
breaking and entering or shop lifting. In fact, that is why DRM is
theft. Its like breaking and entering in my home and stealing my CD's.

Ruben
President and founder of NY Fair
President of NYLXS 2005
DRM is Theft

> Once you accept that assumption, you will find it hard to fight
> against things like the DMCA or Treacherous Computing, whose
> intention is is to prevent these supposedly "illegetimate"
> copies, because you can only argue about side issues such as
> "add-on innovation".
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMCA-Activists mailing list
> DMCA-Activists-at-gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca-activists

  1. 2005-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MINUTES
  2. 2005-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The right to read
  3. 2005-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] reverse engineering and the DMCA
  4. 2005-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The right to read
  5. 2005-09-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open FOrmats in the Federal government
  6. 2005-09-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [DMCA-Activists] RMS on EFF: Federal Court Slams Door on
  7. 2005-09-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Rational Heads prevail in Pakestan
  8. 2005-09-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Dowloaded Music Licensing
  9. 2005-09-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] $300 Linux Computers
  10. 2005-09-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bayonne Nich
  11. 2005-09-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] David Sugar Letter
  12. 2005-09-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Template for NYLXS leadership manual
  13. 2005-09-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Links
  14. 2005-09-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: HPC, Compute and Service Grids For Risk, Algo Trading,
  15. 2005-09-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day
  16. 2005-09-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Still time to register: Mobile Business Intelligence - The
  17. 2005-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] On the heels of what I said a few posts ago....
  18. 2005-09-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Low for Slashdot
  19. 2005-09-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [Hardhats-members] Re: Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA
  20. 2005-09-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Insulin without inject HUGE Tech Breakthrough
  21. 2005-09-10 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Fredom Day
  22. 2005-09-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [Hardhats-members] VistA Community Meeting in October]
  23. 2005-09-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Thursday Board Meeting: Spetmeber 22nd
  24. 2005-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Thursday Board Meeting: Spetmeber 22nd
  25. 2005-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Thursday Board Meeting: Spetmeber 22nd
  26. 2005-09-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BSQUARE Announces SDIO Now! Linux Product
  27. 2005-09-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Thursday Board Meeting: Spetmeber 22nd
  28. 2005-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Thursday Board Meeting: Spetmeber 22nd
  29. 2005-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Thursday Board Meeting: Spetmeber 22nd
  30. 2005-09-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Thursday Board Meeting: Spetmeber 22nd
  31. 2005-09-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Thursday Board Meeting: Spetmeber 22nd
  32. 2005-09-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BSQUARE Announces SDIO Now! Linux Product
  33. 2005-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell under pressure from investors
  34. 2005-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Saturday 17 September 2005 NYCBSDCon at Columbia
  35. 2005-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Saturday 17 September 2005 NYCBSDCon at Columbia
  36. 2005-09-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MS "Open Source"
  37. 2005-09-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS General Meeting / Board Meeting Thurs Sept 22, 2005
  38. 2005-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [michl-at-suse.de: [suse-announce-usa] Order SUSE Linux 10 before 1 Oct, and shipping is on us!]
  39. 2005-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google's Summer of Code Concludes
  40. 2005-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The New New York
  41. 2005-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] roomate needed
  42. 2005-09-24 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [FWD: Gnubies revival + Saturday 24 September 2005 LXNY: Early Afternoon Install Fest in Manhattan (fwd)]
  43. 2005-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [FWD: Gnubies revival + Saturday 24 September 2005 LXNY: Early Afternoon Install Fest in Manhattan (fwd)]
  44. 2005-09-26 Paul Robert Marino <pmarino-at-wagweb.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [FWD: Gnubies revival + Saturday 24
  45. 2005-09-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [FWD: Gnubies revival + Saturday 24 September 2005 LXNY: Early Afternoon Install Fest in Manhattan (fwd)]
  46. 2005-09-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Meeting
  47. 2005-09-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] PEOPLESOFT SUCKS [Fwd: RE: Pharmacist position at NYUMC]
  48. 2005-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Peoplesoft experience?
  49. 2005-09-27 From: "Lawana Comer" <Mariselahangout-at-mrbrklyn.com> New Breed Equity Alert
  50. 2005-09-28 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Resume-XML?
  51. 2005-09-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Resume-XML?
  52. 2005-09-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Resume-XML?
  53. 2005-09-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next Step Medicine
  54. 2005-09-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New York Housing
  55. 2005-09-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [EmperorLinux-Announce] First Linux Tablet PC w/ pen/stylus
  56. 2005-09-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Help needed with ISOC-NY software project]
  57. 2005-09-29 mike hjorleifsson <mikeh-at-dtev.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [EmperorLinux-Announce] First Linux Tablet
  58. 2005-09-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RIAA - SUE ME SUE ME!

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