MESSAGE
| DATE | 2005-06-13 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
|
| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
|
Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/antitrust/0,1551,35212,00.html
11:00 AM Nov. 04, 2002 PT
A little hazy on events? For those who snuck out in the middle, or have
simply forgotten about things during the hiatus, here's a cheat sheet of
key moments in the antitrust trial of U.S. v. Microsoft.
* November 4, 2002: The European Commission reaffirms its intention to
uphold European Union law in its own separate probe into the
company, which a spokesperson says is factually and legally
different from the U.S. case.
* November 1, 2002: Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly rules that a proposed
settlement serves the public's interest as required under the Tunney
Act, which sets standards of review for antitrust settlements.
* September 6, 2001: U.S. Justice Department says it no longer seeks
the breakup of Microsoft and wants to find a quick remedy in the
antitrust case.
* August 29, 2001: New judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly orders the parties
to report on the remaining issues in the legal battle by Sept. 14
and schedules a meeting on the status of the case for Sept. 21.
* June 28, 2001: A federal appeals court reverses the breakup order.
* February 27, 2001: A federal appeals court hears Microsoft's appeal
of Judge Jackson's decision.
* February 21, 2001: Microsoft and Bristol Technology announce a
settlement of litigation between the two companies.
* September 26, 2000: The Supreme Court refuses to hear the case.
* June 7, 2000: Judge Jackson orders the break up of Microsoft into
two companies.
* June 6, 2000: Microsoft submits final brief.
* June 1, 2000: Judge Jackson grants government deadline extension to
June 5.
* May 25, 2000: Judge Jackson sets deadline for government lawyers'
final breakup proposal.
* May 24, 2000: Judge Jackson will hear arguments in the penalty phase
of the case.
* May 10, 2000: Deadline for Microsoft to respond to the government
proposals for sanctions.
* April 28, 2000: Government attorneys file their proposed punishment,
urging Judge Jackson to split Microsoft into two separate companies
as penalty for breaking antitrust laws.
* April 5, 2000: The judge sets May 24 for an expedited hearing on the
penalty phase of the case in an effort to move quickly to the appeal
promised by the software giant.
* April 3, 2000: Two days after settlement talks collapse, the judge
rules that the software giant violated antitrust laws and
consistently acted to hold onto its power over industry competitors.
Microsoft appeals the ruling immediately.
* April 1, 2000: U.S. Court of Appeals Chief Judge Richard Posner ends
efforts to mediate the trial.
* February 22, 2000: Oral arguments are held before Judge Jackson.
* February 1, 2000: Microsoft files its final brief, pointing to the
AOL-Time Warner merger as the main reason why the antitrust case
should be thrown out.
* January 25, 2000: Federal and state prosecutors file a rebuttal to
Microsoft's brief, saying the software maker evaded monopoly
charges.
* January 19, 2000: Microsoft officially responds to Judge Jackson's
ruling, saying that widespread competition precludes it from holding
monopoly power.
* November 30, 1999: Mediation begins as both sides meet with Judge
Richard Posner to see if they can settle the ongoing antitrust
lawsuit.
* November 5, 1999: Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson issues his initial
findings of fact, finding that Microsoft held monopoly power and
used it to harm consumers, rivals, and other companies.
* September 21, 1999: The government and Microsoft accuse each other
of foul play in their closing arguments.
* June 24, 1999: The trial adjourns after 76 days of testimony spread
over more than eight months.
* June 7, 1999: IBM executive Gary Norris testifies to Microsoft's
attempts to bully Big Blue.
* June 1, 1999: Round two of the antitrust trial begins.
* May 28, 1999: Former Symantec CEO Gordon Eubanks, a Microsoft
witness, deposed.
* May 21, 1999: America Online CEO Steve Case says in a deposition
that his company purchased Netscape without having much interest in
its Web browser.
* May 18, 1999: Netscape executive Peter Currie testifies in a
deposition that he once wondered if America Online's fear of
Microsoft might scotch its purchase of Netscape.
* March 30, 1999: Attorneys from both sides meet for settlement talks.
* March 10, 1999: A leaked Microsoft memo blames the press for
focusing on Bill Gates rather than the facts of the trial.
* March 4, 1999: Senator Slade Gorton, a Republican from Microsoft's
home state of Washington, says the Justice Department has gone too
far and should drop the case against his constituent.
* February 26, 1999: The trial breaks for recess.
* February 2, 1999: A government lawyer accuses Microsoft of
manipulating videotaped evidence in a courtroom demo.
* January 13, 1999: The defense phase of the trial begins.
* January 12, 1999: The final day of the government's case. In a
climactic turn, the government's top economic witness admits that
Microsoft has done nothing so far that would harm consumers.
* November 17, 1998: Sun Microsystems wins a crucial ruling when a
federal court tells Microsoft to stop selling products that contain
an incompatible version of Java. Meanwhile, South Carolina drops out
of the antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft, saying there was
sufficient competition in the Internet market.
* November 9, 1998: Microsoft chairman Bill Gates testifies in a
videotaped deposition that he never intended to keep Intel out of
the software business.
* October 20, 1998: Netscape CEO Jim Barksdale takes the witness
stand.
* October 19, 1998: The court hears opening arguments in the first day
of the antitrust trial.
* September 22, 1998: According to a study by a market researcher,
Netscape finally cedes its browser-share lead to Microsoft's
Internet Explorer.
* May 18, 1998: The big day. The U.S. Justice Department and 20 state
attorneys general file an antitrust suit against Microsoft, charging
the company with abusing its market power to thwart competition,
including Netscape.
* May 12, 1998: An appeals court rules that the injunction against
Microsoft should not apply to Windows 98, allowing Microsoft to
proceed with the launch of its new product. A 2-1 majority rules
that Microsoft can integrate whatever it wants into the OS as long
as it benefits consumers and can't be replicated.
* January 22, 1998: Facing a contempt citation, Microsoft signs an
agreement giving computer makers freedom to install Windows 95
without an Internet Explorer icon.
* January 13, 1998: A contempt-of-court hearing opens in Washington. A
government witness argues that it is easy to uninstall Internet
Explorer, while a Microsoft witness argues how hard it is. Jackson
rebukes Microsoft attorneys repeatedly over statements made in
court.
* December 19, 1997: In a demonstration held in his own courtroom,
Jackson uninstalls the desktop icon for Internet Explorer.
* December 15, 1997: Microsoft appeals a ruling that temporarily bars
it from requiring PC makers to use its Internet Explorer Web browser
if they use the Windows 95 operating system.
* December 11, 1997: In a preliminary injunction, Jackson orders
Microsoft to stop requiring PC makers to ship Internet Explorer
along with Windows 95. But he rejects the government's request for a
contempt-of-court citation and a $1-million-a-day fine for alleged
violations of his 1995 court order. That order sought to restrain
how the company leverages its marketplace dominance in desktop
operating systems.
* December 5, 1997: Jackson hears opening arguments in the case.
* October 27, 1997: The Justice Department files a complaint demanding
a $1-million-a-day fine against Microsoft for its alleged violation
of the 1995 consent decree. The complaint claims that Microsoft
overstepped its bounds by demanding PC manufacturers bundle the
Internet Explorer Web browser with their hardware products before
being able to obtain a Windows 95 license.
* August 19, 1997: The Justice Department once again has Microsoft in
its sights. This time, the government wants to determine whether the
software maker's $150 million investment in Apple Computer, or its
equity stakes in three companies that develop Internet streaming
technologies, would squelch competition.
* August 1995: After months of legal wrangling, U.S. District Court
Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson officially approves the 1994 consent
decree.
* April 1995: The Justice Department files suit to block a proposed
merger between Microsoft and Intuit, claiming the marriage would
quash competition in the electronic checkbook market. Within weeks,
Microsoft scraps its merger plan.
* July 1994: Microsoft settles antitrust charges with the Justice
Department, signing on to a consent decree that forbids the company
from using its operating system dominance to squelch competition.
* August 1993: Frustrated by two Federal Trade Commission deadlocks in
the investigation, the Justice Department takes over, focusing on
Microsoft's DOS marketing practices.
* June 1990: The Federal Trade Commission launches a probe into
possible collusion between Microsoft and IBM in the PC software
market.
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 19:03, David Sommers wrote:
> Excuse me. My name is David Sommers and I work for Dialog Medical (not
> a Microsoft company). Many of you know me on this list and have met me.
> I "think" I've made contributions to those seeking answers to both VistA
> on M and the Delphi side. I know I've helped individuals with their
> *nix boxes. Maybe I simply wish to work for Microsoft or Apple and
> build products that everyone uses.
>
> But for someone to utter the words "professional trolls", "They lie
> under oath", and "their software genuinely is without any merit" is
> someone I won't share my 'net connection with.
>
> I defer to Bhaskar's wisdom and as I stated in my previous post:
>
> Be fair - be calm - be nice.
>
> I do come in peace.
>
> /David.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hardhats-members-admin-at-lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:hardhats-members-admin-at-lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Ruben
> Safir
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 6:21 PM
> To: hardhats-members-at-lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
>
> Actually, I just did a google search on you, and I see no expereince on
> your part with anything outside of MS Corporate work.
>
> Please, don't fein any expertise in these issues without also stating
> either
> your expertise in unbias computer sciences or disclosing your
> connections
> with Microsoft.
>
>
>
> Ruben
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 05:48:43PM -0400, David Sommers wrote:
> > People that express strong anti-Microsoft or anti-Bill always strike a
> > nerve with me.
> >
> > I can understand that, as a user, a product may not work as advertised
> > or as you intended but this is the exact FUD you knock MS for.
> >
> > Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. The Microsoft today isn't the same
> > Microsoft 5 years ago or 10 years ago. I think Windows 95 was "ok"
> and
> > Windows XP is much better and I'm hoping Longhorn is better than that.
> > I don't run Linux 2.4 anymore and I doubt many of you have a 1.x
> flavor
> > sitting around either. Live and learn.
> >
> > Do you FUD a MS product before ever installing it? A great example is
> a
> > recent posting on Slashdot about Microsoft's latest product (in beta),
> > Acrylic.
> >
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/11/1851231&tid=152&tid=109&tid=
> > 185
> >
> > The poster immediately bashes Microsoft and says: "Microsoft should be
> > prepared to eat another few million in lost development funds". If,
> > however, you start to read the comments - the unbiased users
> immediately
> > point out that the user never really understood the product to begin
> > with.
> >
> > Hey - I have a FC3 laptop to my left and my Powerbook to my right but
> > I'm writing to you on my XP box. They all work.
> >
> > I find that Apple and Linux users normally utilize FUD more than any
> > marketing engine out there.
> >
> > And I don't mean to start a war because you don't have to "correct me"
> > on my own personal views and opinions.
> >
> > Couple great blog posts by one of those evil worker bees in the shrine
> > of Bill.
> > http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/13591.aspx
> > Quote: "Some of us come in peace, damn it."
> > http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/13551.aspx
> > Quote: "I also agree about IE and standards. I'd love to see us
> > put out a kick-ass browser that conforms to standards."
> >
> > (And no - I don't hold stock in MS.)
> >
> > Be fair - be calm - be nice.
> >
> > /David.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hardhats-members-admin-at-lists.sourceforge.net
> > [mailto:hardhats-members-admin-at-lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of
> Greg
> > Woodhouse
> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:56 PM
> > To: hardhats-members-at-lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
> >
> > The way things are going, I'm beginning to wish every message
> > containint the word "Microsoft" (or any of its variations) was sent on
> > to the moderator for approval. I know Microsoft isn't terribly popular
> > around here, but do we need to be so shrill?
> >
> > --- "Richard G. DAVIS" wrote:
> >
> > > Lloyd,
> > >
> > > Nothing! Absolutely nothing to do with the subject heading.
> > >
> > > Isn't language wonderful?! Semantic drift in action. Now 'missing
> > > apps'
> > > has a much broader meaning. (sic)
> > >
> > > And, judging by the volume of posts to this subject, 'missing apps'
> > > is a
> > > really interesting topic. ????......
> > >
> > > I am amused that the comments I made earlier in this thread are
> > > directly
> > > reflected in the discussion that has followed. Recursion in action.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Richard.
> > >
> > > > From: "Lloyd Milligan"
> > > > Organization: Sea Island Systems, Inc.
> > > > Reply-To: hardhats-members-at-lists.sourceforge.net
> > > > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:11:18 -0400
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
> > > >
> > > > What does this "discussion" have to do with VistA or with the
> > > specific
> > > > subject of this post "VistaWeb Missing Apps"?
> > > >
> > > > Lloyd
> > > >
> > >
> > > ...
> > > ....
> > > .....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can
> you
> > > shotput
> > > a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office
> > > luge track?
> > > If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy.
> > > Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hardhats-members mailing list
> > > Hardhats-members-at-lists.sourceforge.net
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
> > >
> >
> >
> > "The most profound technologies are those that disappear."
> > --Mark Weiser
> >
> > ====
> > Greg Woodhouse
> > gwoodhouse-at-acm.org
> > gregory.woodhouse-at-sbcglobal.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you
> > shotput
> > a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office
> luge
> > track?
> > If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy.
> > Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hardhats-members mailing list
> > Hardhats-members-at-lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you
> shotput
> > a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office
> luge track?
> > If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy.
> > Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hardhats-members mailing list
> > Hardhats-members-at-lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
|
|
