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DATE 2005-05-02
FROM From: "Inker, Evan"
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsoft Reaches Out to Open-Source Community
Microsoft Reaches Out to Open-Source Community
By Darryl K. Taft
April 29, 2005
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1791085,00.asp#talkback

Microsoft Corp. has extended an olive branch to the open-source community,
calling for a sit-down to discuss how the software giant can better work
with the open-source world.

But don't expect to see an open-sourced version of Windows any time soon.
Microsoft is making nice with its open-source adversaries, while continuing
to defend its rights to hold and use its arsenal of software patents.

At a recent conference sponsored by the Association for Competitive
Technology (ACT) in Cambridge, Md., Brad Smith, Microsoft's general counsel,
called for bridge building between Microsoft, its competitors and the
open-source community.

"In the world of software development today there is a broad panoply of
software development models," Smith said.

"We're going to have to figure out how to build some bridges between the
various parts of our industry," he continued. "We're going to have to figure
out how we can bring the various parts of our industry closer together. Not
necessarily in the sense of changing the way software is developed, but
building bridges so that we all have the ability to collaborate with each
other. And that will mean we will need some new rotations, I think, in how
we work together, in how we license, in how we share technology or
intellectual property rights with each other."

One open-source community leader said this was the first conciliatory
statement to come out of Redmond, Wash., where Microsoft is headquartered.

Larry Rosen, former general counsel for the Open Source Initiative and a
leading open-source supporter who was present for Smith's speech, said, "I'm
pleased to hear requests for bridge building, and I have been open to it all
along. And I think it's important that the entire IT industry-both the
proprietary side and the open, free software side-at least understands each
others' positions better, if not actually come to compromises that allow
both 'sides,' and I hate to use the word 'sides' but I think it would be
very helpful to everyone to engage in dialogue."

In an interview following his keynote, Smith told eWEEK: "First you have to
start with some dialogue. We are now interested in it, and we'd like to do
this. I think we'll find we've got a lot more in common than we realize, and
I think there are many of us who would like to meet."

Meanwhile, Rosen said, "I would like to see that they engage in an
intellectually thorough discussion where we actually prove the points that
he's making or the points we're making about the value and utility of
software patents, rather than simply make the assumption and jump to the
conclusion that reform is needed. ... The test is going to be when we engage
in that dialogue are we really going to sit at the table and put things on
the table and figure out how to reach some form of compromise? We did that
over a three year period with the W3C [World Wide Web Consortium]."

Rosen noted that the open-source community helped the World Wide Web
Consortium develop a royalty-free intellectual property policy and is
working with the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information
Systems (OASIS) and would like to work with Microsoft in the same way. In
fact, Rosen said he would like to see the software industry do away with
software patents altogether.

Richard Wilder, a patent attorney and partner at the Washington, D.C., law
firm Sidley Austin Brown & Wood, said of Smith's comments, "For the kinds of
bridges he's talking about, I think you need a problem to be solved and then
you can work from there."

Eric Raymond, a Malvern, Pa.-based open-source community leader and
consultant to Sun Microsystems Inc. on the company's move to open-source
Solaris, said he too welcomes the conciliatory tone from Microsoft.

There are new ways to "open up" Windows. Click here to find out what they
are.

"Nobody in the open-source world expects Microsoft to open-source their core
products; given their business model that would be insane," Raymond said.

"But, realistically, they could do some important things. One, open up their
file formats. That is, fully document things like the Microsoft Word and
Windows Media formats, and make a binding promise not to sue people who
write software to interoperate with them," he said. "Two, put down the
patent weapon. Do as IBM has, and offer their software patents under
royalty-free, paperwork-free license to open-source projects. Three, support
open technical standards, rather than sabotaging them. Microsoft has a
history of destructive meddling at organizations like the IETF and W3C, and
of attempting to hijack standards like Kerberos by making them dependent on
proprietary 'extensions.' Simply not doing this would be a huge
improvement."

But Smith argues that Microsoft and others not only have the right to hold
their patents, but to exercise them to defend their intellectual property,
though also to work in partnership with others.

"There are a whole diverse set of ways that companies can and should use
their patent portfolio and technology base not only to protect their own
innovation, but to stimulate and share innovation with others," Smith said.

Microsoft has crafted what Smith called "outbound royalty-based patent
licenses" that the company has used to transfer technology to startup firms.


"We in the private sector not only have to do a good job of obtaining
protection for our own inventions, we also have to do more to work with each
other," Smith said. "And we have to license our intellectual property rights
to each other for a fair and reasonable term-sometimes it's for a royalty,
sometimes it's royalty free."

Sanjay Prasad , chief patent counsel at Oracle Corp., said, "A lot of people
say that patents are the tools of big business to lock out other people, and
they certainly are used by big business, but a patent has a quite a bit more
value to a small business than a big business, there is just no doubt about
that."

Meanwhile, Smith called for patent reform, a refrain of a message he had
raised earlier this year.

"The reality is that anybody who is an inventor and is successful both
relies on patents and is a target for patent litigation by others," Smith
said. "And everybody should have to pay their fair share and respect the
rules. But it helps if the system works well. And with the explosion in
patent litigation in this country we've see the increase in litigation
abuse. We've seen people inflate their ability to seek monetary awards when
it wasn't really deserved."

Microsoft is making sure its presence is felt at open-source events. Click
here to read more.

Smith called for Congress, which held a hearing on patent reform earlier
this week, to focus on four things: patent quality, patent litigation abuse,
the needs of smaller inventors-"We've been supportive of what we call the
zero fee filing system for small inventors"-and harmonization, "which
basically means among other things that the U.S. needs to move to a
first-to-file system so that like everywhere else the first person to file
an application gets the award rather than it going to the first to invent
it."

David Simon, chief patent counsel at Intel, testified before a Senate
Judiciary Committee hearing earlier this week and said, "Let me state at the
outset that the patent law is not broken. The law is fundamentally sound and
works well." However, Simon called for reforms or improvements in the areas
of patent quality, training and funding for U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
staff, access to prior art, harmonization and litigation abuses, among
others.

"More recently, the PTO, with Jim Rogan [former director of the PTO] and
John Dudas [current PTO director] providing the political leadership,
decided that now was the time to change the fundamental premise on which the
PTO would judge whether or not it was really making a contribution to
supporting industry by shifting away from what had predominantly been a
production-based mentality"-how many patent issues could be generated per
staff year of effort"-to attempting to import into the PTO as many different
quality improvement techniques and practices as possible," said Brad Huther,
a director at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and former president and CEO for
the International Intellectual Property Institute.

At this week's hearing, Dudas said that the patent law should be changed to
award a patent to the first person to file a claim. The current rules allow
patents to be granted to the first person who devised the invention.


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  79. 2005-05-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving off of SuSE
  80. 2005-05-12 Mark Andrews <Mark_Andrews-at-isc.org> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I have been patient.
  81. 2005-05-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IBM backs Firefox in-houseBy Martin LaMonica, CNET News.com
  82. 2005-05-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IBM backs Firefox in-houseBy Martin LaMonica, CNET News.com
  83. 2005-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Upcoming hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (as of 5.13.05).
  84. 2005-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Reminder
  85. 2005-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Taking a look back prior to 9-11
  86. 2005-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Real Time Blackhole sites
  87. 2005-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hope this still works
  88. 2005-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open Meeting: Freedom-IT Scholarship fund
  89. 2005-05-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Business
  90. 2005-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Membership and Fund Raising/ Bryant Park
  91. 2005-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Business
  92. 2005-05-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Business
  93. 2005-05-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: Business - NOT SPAM!
  94. 2005-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Membership and Fund Raising/ Bryant Park
  95. 2005-05-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: Business - NOT SPAM!
  96. 2005-05-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Membership and Fund Raising/ Bryant Park
  97. 2005-05-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hyper-Threading Vulnerability
  98. 2005-05-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nylxs website
  99. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [info] NYLXS]
  100. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [hangout] Ruben, "Star Wars" tickets are on sale now on
  101. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [hangout] Ruben, "Star Wars" tickets are
  102. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Healthcare Information Technology
  103. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars
  104. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars
  105. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars
  106. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [hangout] Ruben, "Star Wars" tickets are
  107. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [info] NYLXS]
  108. 2005-05-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web sites: Linux Distribution Chooser
  109. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] the internet has become useless
  110. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  111. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  112. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  113. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  114. 2005-05-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  115. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  116. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  117. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  118. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  119. 2005-05-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  120. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  121. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  122. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  123. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  124. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: Don't forget to take advantage of Novell's great offer on shopNovell
  125. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Healthcare Information Technology
  126. 2005-05-17 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  127. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  128. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FREEDOM-IT MEETING - Tomorrow
  129. 2005-05-17 From: "J.E. Cripps" <cycmn-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  130. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  131. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn Centric News
  132. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And while we are talking about Brooklyn College...
  133. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Pass to computer expo
  134. 2005-05-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Minutes May 11 2005
  135. 2005-05-18 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Minutes May 11 2005
  136. 2005-05-18 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Minutes May 11 2005
  137. 2005-05-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Minutes May 11 2005
  138. 2005-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Healthcare Information Technology
  139. 2005-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Dvorak's article on Linux Community
  140. 2005-05-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn101-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fsfsffsfsd
  141. 2005-05-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn101-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fsfsdfasdfsd
  142. 2005-05-19 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: [Politics] Lost
  143. 2005-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sendmail Relaying
  144. 2005-05-20 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: FW: Returned mail: delivery problems encountered
  145. 2005-05-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of Grant proposal committee 5-17-05
  146. 2005-05-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of Grant proposal committee 5-17-05
  147. 2005-05-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Report
  148. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Report
  149. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Flu preparations
  150. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Transistor Engineering
  151. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Anyone ever hear of this company?
  152. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn101-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars Party
  153. 2005-05-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Student Interest in Computer Science Plummets
  154. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Student Interest in Computer Science Plummets
  155. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Student Interest in Computer Science Plummets
  156. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Student Interest in Computer Science Plummets
  157. 2005-05-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Token Booths Shut Down At Eight Stations In Manhattan, Brooklyn
  158. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn101-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] su security
  159. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: refreshing
  160. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Real Time Blackhole sites
  161. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: In case you could use someone
  162. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Anyone know who IBM is using to teach teachers about GNU Systems?
  163. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] For Billy
  164. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars Night Tomorrow
  165. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Job in NY
  166. 2005-05-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse and floppy disks
  167. 2005-05-25 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: Re: [wwwac] Court rules that presence of encryption software may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
  168. 2005-05-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Netscape 8.0 Requires Internet Explorer
  169. 2005-05-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse and floppy disks
  170. 2005-05-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse and floppy disks
  171. 2005-05-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Netscape 8.0 Requires Internet Explorer
  172. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: SpiderTools Linux Training Savings
  173. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: [Politics] Monsanto's confidential research finds that GM foods mess up rats
  174. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  175. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Fw: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  176. 2005-05-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  177. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fw: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  178. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fw: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  179. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars triggers P2P network crackdown
  180. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  181. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars triggers P2P network crackdown
  182. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  183. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  184. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  185. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  186. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Treo 650
  187. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Myth and the BSA
  188. 2005-05-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  189. 2005-05-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Treo 650
  190. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  191. 2005-05-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  192. 2005-05-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  193. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  194. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  195. 2005-05-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  196. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  197. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  198. 2005-05-26 From: "Jared T. Martin" <jmartin-at-dglaw.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How do I edit my subscription?
  199. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  200. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Treo 650
  201. 2005-05-26 Michael E George <meg7-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  202. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  203. 2005-05-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS mission statement
  204. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS mission statement
  205. 2005-05-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Donation page on website.
  206. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  207. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Donation page on website.
  208. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Prganizational Structure -
  209. 2005-05-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Donation page on website.
  210. 2005-05-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  211. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  212. 2005-05-26 From: "Derrick H. Lewis" <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Website
  213. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Website
  214. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think this was the constitution minus a slight change we had to
  215. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: In case you could use someone
  216. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  217. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  218. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  219. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers] New York City Electronics
  220. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers] New York City Electronics
  221. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers] New York City Electronics
  222. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers]
  223. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers] New
  224. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[NYLXS_-_HANGOUT]_Re:_[CFSG-forum]_Fwd:_[ref?=
  225. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I want a big 1973 Buick LeSabre
  226. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd:
  227. 2005-05-27 Michael E George <meg7-at-nyu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT]Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum]
  228. 2005-05-27 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  229. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  230. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  231. 2005-05-27 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  232. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  233. 2005-05-27 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  234. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  235. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  236. 2005-05-28 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  237. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [Hardhats-members] Re: Welcome!] Healthcare software under
  238. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  239. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lccal News in Brooklyn
  240. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  241. 2005-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jobs
  242. 2005-05-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  243. 2005-05-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  244. 2005-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  245. 2005-05-29 David Etengoff <edtechmdy-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] please remove my E-mail
  246. 2005-05-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  247. 2005-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  248. 2005-05-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  249. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server Status
  250. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  251. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem
  252. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] == CPRS Demo ==]
  253. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  254. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  255. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  256. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  257. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  258. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  259. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  260. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  261. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  262. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  263. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  264. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RMS on software patents
  265. 2005-05-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquires Immunix to enhance SuSe Linux security
  266. 2005-05-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia allows Linux Kernel to use their patents

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