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| DATE | 2005-04-05 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] mubling under my breadth
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> If this were a Perl/MySQL app, it
> would almost certainly be just as much a piece of shit as the Windows
> version is, and you'd have just as much _no access to the code_ to fix
> it or have it fixed.
>
We've been shadowed by this always.
> As we're now getting to be quite successful in getting companies off the
> Microsoft crack, we need to refocus our efforts somewhat. The VAR/ISV
> incompetents are coming to Linux, and they're bringing their garbage
> apps and stupidity with them.
This is not something to fear. This is something to encourage.
> There's nothing about Linux that forces
> you to be a competent designer or developer. (as much of the code
> available at SourceForge proves)
Not quite true, but the overwhelming deciding factor is that with GNU
systems, is that access to the system leads people naturally on a path
of discovery. And even people as stupid as some of our associates can
learn enough competency, even through the school of hard knocks, even
enough knowledge to give, say a lecture on UML, or beginners workshops!
Your suggesting a path to Unix bigotry. I'm not interested in that.
I'd rather use bad software.
But believe, on the brain washing and community support of a hugely
stupid monopoly can end up with the development of software as stupid at
the software I'm using now. This is not ever even possibly the result
of a Free Software community development. This product suffers from a
MS mentality. People who bring that kind of crap to the Free Software
side of the ledger are going to quickly learn the mores, norms and
values of Free Software. Free Software BREEDS collaboration,
competition and personnel growth. Your making THE fundamental mistake.
It's not about the technology, it is about the PEOPLE.
> Windows users have proved they'll
> accept and pay good money for what amounts to a loaded diaper. If we
> have any hope of educating the general public to demand better, we'd
> better start drilling that into people now, while we have reasonably
> not-shitty systems dominating our userbase to point at as examples.
> Otherwise at some point, you'll have exactly what exists in the Windows
> world today, the systems run by the relatively few of us who know what
> we're doing will be reasonably reliable, virus and crappy-app free, and
> everyone else will be running systems that crash and burn constantly so
> much that you stop noticing it.
Larry August made this argument in "Freedom OS". Free $hit is still
$hit. Larry was wrong. Free $hit is still Free.
> Don't bother at that point trying to
> explain to a user that Linux is a very good kernel and it's their apps
> that suck. Disgusted users tar their whole system with the same brush.
>
> - Ron
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