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| DATE | 2005-03-03 |
| FROM | dspira@att.net (Dave_att)
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| SUBJECT | RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
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Perhaps I should have posted this to all.
I have resolved the controversy with my Emails running over Billys, by
changing my editor from HTML editor to plain old text editor.
I dont know how to go in and change options in MS outlook to make it
autowrap at 80 column width.
So we take the easy way out. I can switch back to HTML when I need to.
Having said this, I do feel that those of us that use "the standard bearer"
Email model, MS outlook or Lotus notes, usually takes precidence
but since we all want to live in a happy
community, so we try an accomodate others.
Dave
Billy,
I like your posts, so Im going to break my old habit of letting the program do
what its supposed to do but really doesn't do it.
I will give you a carrige return before the email program auto wraps.
Dave
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Billy
>
> Dave_att wrote:
> > Billy,
> >
> > The "ENTER" key is my carrige return and linefeed. How else can I put in a
> linefeed after each sentence? I may have my linefeed set to more than 80
> characters per line. I dont think I can change that.
> >
>
> I'll repost this message my way:
>
> The "ENTER" key is my carrige return and linefeed. How else can I
> put in a linefeed after each sentence? I may have my linefeed set
> to more than 80 characters per line. I dont think I can change that.
>
> no problem.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Martin, Jared"
>
> I think there is something very trivial here I'm missing, perhaps I'd have to
> see both ends of the line to see the formatting effects. For now I'll just take
> your word for it. Thanks for your time, not trying to irritate anyone.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Billy [mailto:billy-at-dadadada.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:30 PM
> To: Martin, Jared
> Cc: Hangout (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
>
>
> Martin, Jared wrote:
> > I've found that my Blackberry doesn't terminate lines the way you like, but
> > what about this line from Outlook? What happens if I send it as rich text or
> > html?
>
> Please don't.
>
> > Here are my arguments of why I feel you can't expect the world to use
> > linefeeds at the end of each line in e-mails:
>
> Very good.
>
> > * Understand the implications of being in the far minority - Although
> > OpenSource is great, a person using Linux/Opensource must still understand
> > that the large majority of the world does not.
>
> I'm holding YOU to a higher standard. This is an extension of respect.
>
> > I don't see how you can expect the world to change their procedures when
> > writing e-mails, when the large majority of people do not have the
> > linefeed-less reading disability you're mentioning.
>
> For the 4th time, it's not a reading disability.
> The majority of people using email are idiots.
> Rise above the mediocrity if you want to be respected.
>
> > And Opensource has just
> > as many programs that support this as any other source. A similar situation
> > is when mac users send mac formatted documents to our firm and expect our
> > users to be able to open and use them. In my opinion, mac is great if you
> > have the pockets for it, but mac users, like linux users to a lesser degree
> > must understand that most users do not use the same formats, and should take
> > it upon themselves to make up for the difference and understand that to be
> > part of the current drawbacks of using a stable computer.
>
> > * Any rule of eitiquette regarding linefeeds at the end of each line must
> > be antiquated - We are way beyond the days of typewriters when you used the
> > enter key at the end of each line. Keep up with the times.
>
> This is not the law of the net. The law of the net is Postel's Law.
> Look it up and you'll learn more than you would if I simply told you what it
> is.
>
> > True, most hackers would use linefeeds, but most of them developed their
> > e-mail writing habits when this was a nesecity, and although there was a day
> > when hackers held a large percentage of those using networks, those days are
> > long gone. We constantly have to ask ourselves are our decisions made to make
> > life easier for ourselves or for the users we are programming/working for?
>
> I don't work for you. I don't have to tolerate your ignorance of netiquette.
> When you get on the net, you're entering a long-established community with a
> culture and rich traditions. You're expected to behave according to
> established norms so as not to annoy us. Deliberate dismissal of this culture
> as 'antiquated' can be construed as an act of agression. When in Rome....
>
> > The same principle applies. This becomes even more clearer when you consider
> > the fact that the very concept of e-mail is to be an electrinic form of the
> > normal (snail) mail system which standards do not permit linefeeds/carraige
> > returns at the end of each line, but only at the end of the paragraphs.
>
> snail mail isn't digital, layout is physical, and requires no control codes
> (other than normal English punctuation). This is obvious.
>
> > * Having linefeeds about every 80 characters makes editing a real chore -
> > Every time I go to add something in I have to change the linefeeds throught
> > the entire document. This is a menial task which should be handled by the
> > software.
>
> If it isn't, then YOUR software sucks.
> See if you can find a "rewrap" somewhere.
>
> > * Get a new e-mail client - I dare say most of the e-mail software in use
> > today handles this issue gracefully. I don't see how you can expect the world
> > to spend their precious time insterting characters into their e-mails that
> > the large majority of readers will never see, and which, those who do see it
> > could remedy the problem by simply using a more sophisticated e-mail client
> > or patch the one you're using.
>
> I am using Thunderbird 1.0 and mutt4. These are both less than a year old.
> The issue cannot be handled gracefully by an non-psychic program.
>
> > Of course I realize that in this group I am probably in the minority and for
> > that reason I aquiesce and inserted the linefeeds as you requested.
> >
> > Just my humble opinion. I'm expecting a smart response exposing my youthful
> > ignorance once again, but I suppose that's how one learns.
>
> That's the spirit.
>
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