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DATE 2005-03-17
FROM From: "Inker, Evan"
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs

Hardware security sneaks into PCs

By Robert Lemos
http://news.com.com/Hardware+security+sneaks+into+PCs/2100-7355_3-5619035.ht
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Story last modified Wed Mar 16 04:00:00 PST 2005

Millions of workers will get the latest in PC security this year--but they
won't get the full benefit.
The three largest computer makers--Dell, Hewlett-Packard and IBM--have
started selling desktops and notebooks with so-called trusted computing
hardware, which allows security-sensitive applications to lock down data to
a specific PC.

News.context

What's new:
The top 3 PC makers have started selling models with encryption hardware,
even though Microsoft's software for the technology has hit delays.

Bottom line:
That leaves hardware makers in a rare position: They are leading Microsoft,
rather than working to support one of the software giant's initiatives.

More stories on this topic

But Microsoft's plans to take advantage of the technology have been delayed,
meaning the software heavyweight likely won't get behind it until the
release of Longhorn, the Windows update scheduled for next year.

That leaves hardware makers in a rare position: They are leading Microsoft,
rather than working to support one of the software giant's initiatives.

"Our success is not dependent on Microsoft," said Brian Berger, executive
vice president at security company Wave Systems and the marketing chair for
the Trusted Computing Group. "When Microsoft comes on board with some of
what they have talked about, it will be that much better, but this is not a
Microsoft-centric activity."

The Trusted Computing Group, the industry consortium that sets
specifications for the specialized hardware, has had to rely on other
software makers to demonstrate the benefits of running a trusted PC.

Largely a footnote in 2004, the technology is set to take off this year,
with the top 3 PC makers shipping laptops and desktops equipped with
hardware security. Dell, the last holdout, announced that it had added the
security technology to its latest line of notebooks on Feb. 1. In 2005, more
than 20 million computers will ship with the trusted platform module, up
from 8 million in 2004, according to estimates from research firm IDC.

The technology locks specialized encryption keys in a data
vault--essentially a chip on the computer's motherboard. Computers with the
feature can wall off data, secure communications and identify systems
belonging to the company or to business partners. That means companies can
improve the security of access to corporate data, even when the PC is not
connected to a network.

Microsoft is a significant proponent of trusted computing. When it first
publicized plans in 2002 to create a security technology known as Palladium,
it said that its software component might be released as early as the end of
2004.

Then digital-rights advocates raised concerns that the technology could be
used by software makers and media companies to control people's PCs, putting
Microsoft on the defensive. The dispute even led the software giant to
change the name of its technology from Palladium to the Next-Generation
Secure Computing Base, or NGSCB.

Moreover, technical issues--such as how information tied to one PC could be
backed up and restored to another computer--required Microsoft to rethink
parts of the technology.

The software giant declined to provide details on the current state of the
Next-Generation Secure Computing Base software. "We do not have an update on
NGSCB to share at this time," the company said in a statement sent Tuesday
to CNET News.com. "Microsoft continues to actively work through many of the
technical details, and we expect to be able to provide more details in the
near future."

Chicken and egg
The delays have not slowed down the Trusted Computing Group, which now has
more than 70 members, including Intel, IBM and Sun Microsystems. Without
waiting for Microsoft, which is a member of the group, to decide on the
details of its software, the consortium has moved forward.

"They are saying: 'If this is going to be a 'chicken and egg' problem, then
we are going to be the egg and not wait,'" said Roger Kay, vice president of
client computing at IDC. Kay predicted that by 2010, almost 95 percent of
all computers sold will have the trusted platform module.

Though there are bumps in the software road map, companies have not put off
buying trusted PCs. Many are looking ahead to the near future, when network
security and management applications will likely have widespread support for
the hardware, Kay said.

"I think it is a check-box item for customers," Kay said. "If they are not
using it yet, their thought is that in a year or so, they will start to
support the platform."

Applications for the trusted PC platform exist, but are nuts and bolts
programs rather than whiz-bang products, Wave Systems' Berger said.

"The applications that are out there today are more data-centric: 'Can I
protect my data with hardware-based keys?'" he said. Wave Systems creates
encryption products that use the Trusted Computing platform to protect
corporate data.

Each PC maker also sells their systems with control panels for basic data
security functions, including managing access and encryption.

Other encryption providers are also looking to support the technology.
Entrust, which is not a member of the Trusted Computing Group, has not let
Microsoft's missed deadlines affect its decision to support the technology,
according to a company executive.

"There are a lot of cylinders firing on these things," said Chris Voice,
chief technology officer at Entrust. "However, the engine is not going to
stop because one cylinder is not fully firing."

While Microsoft didn't keep to its initial, tentative targets for its
trusted PC products, the software giant should be able to hit the more
relaxed deadline of the Longhorn operating system release, IDC's Kay said.

"When Longhorn comes out, it's going to be rocket fuel for the whole thing,"
he said. "You can do authentication now, but the thought that you can do
more highfalutin things is where Microsoft comes in."


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  101. 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  102. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  103. 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21 st (fwd)
  104. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21
  105. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  106. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting.
  107. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cyrus-sasl remote code execution (SUSE-SA:2005:013)]
  108. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suitwatch Linux Journal
  109. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  110. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  111. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  112. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  113. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Starting a club at BC (report from the trenches).
  114. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  115. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom..
  116. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  117. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  118. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  119. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  120. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  121. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  122. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  123. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  124. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  125. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  126. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  127. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  128. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  129. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  130. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  131. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  132. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  133. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  134. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  135. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  136. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  137. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  138. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  139. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  140. 2005-03-02 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  141. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  142. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  143. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  144. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting paid for your work...
  145. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  146. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  147. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  148. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  149. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sir Bill
  150. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  151. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wikipedia NYLXS entry
  152. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sir Bill
  153. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Q&A: Author of Dude, Did I Steal Your Job? sounds off
  154. 2005-03-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Email problem.
  155. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  156. 2005-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2nd Annual Brewtopia World Beer Festival (NYC)
  157. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  158. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  159. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The World is Coming to an End - No kidding
  160. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  161. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] HP and HRD - not what you think :)
  162. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  163. 2005-03-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  164. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  165. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  166. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  167. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  168. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  169. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  170. 2005-03-29 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  171. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  172. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  173. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  174. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  175. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  176. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  177. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  178. 2005-03-28 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  179. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] De Montfort University switches to SUSE Linux
  180. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Adobe 7.0 reader for Linux now available
  181. 2005-03-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NIH/NSF projects and the GPL
  182. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  183. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing Wars
  184. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  185. 2005-03-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  186. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  187. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Results
  188. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  189. 2005-03-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  190. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  191. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  192. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Trill of the Download
  193. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Switch to DSL
  194. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Telephoney in the Times
  195. 2005-03-25 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes
  196. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Boggling News from the Scientific Front
  197. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes?
  198. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Programmers bypass Red Hat Linux fees
  199. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source: Free Windows Apps
  200. 2005-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] What it's like to run windows
  201. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets] OT: Abbott and Costello, Meet the Cybermen
  202. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  203. 2005-03-23 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  204. 2005-03-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  205. 2005-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  206. 2005-03-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  207. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting

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