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See our correspondence below. As you will see, RMS didn't like my use of the terms "open" and "closed" in reference to source code, so I am changing my ways. I'm just learning some of his ideas. It will take a little while before I feel like I've really mastered the philosophy and some of the legal issues. In the meantime, I thought I'd write to you now in case you are interested in some of my ideas and plans. Best, Mike Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:32:49 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Miller To: Richard Stallman Cc: MLUG membership Subject: GNU GPL and NIH/NSF software and publications - a thought Richard-- I am interested in doing something about National Institutes of Health (NIH) or National Science Foundation (NSF) rules on licensing of code developed using their funds. They must have some policies but I have not been able to find them. I'll probably have to make some calls. Apparently, the current system allows developers to take NIH or NSF funds and keep the software source closed - distributing binaries only. For example, I know that a genetic analysis program called SOLAR is closed source and it is supported by NIH funds: http://www.sfbr.org/solar/2.1.4.doc/02.chapter.html "The SOLAR project is supported by the NIH." Another example is S.A.G.E.: http://darwin.cwru.edu/ Non-Profit Organizations can purchase S.A.G.E. for free. My feeling is that both NIH and NSF should require that all software developed partly using their funds be distributed under the GNU GPL. As it stands, software may be developed using NIH money, but the source can remain closed and an individual or university can own the rights. This should not be acceptable. A different license with the same requirements might work just as well ast the GPL, but I see no need at this time to develop something new when the GPL works so well. It is very widely used (tens of thousands of programs) and very well-established. I think this idea might actually get somewhere at this time because I think it might be able to piggy-back onto the movement to require that every published report of NIH-funded research be freely publicly accessible on the internet. Nobelist Harold Varmus, former Director of NIH and founder of PLoS... http://www.plos.org/ ...has been one of the major players pushing this forward. You can read a few articles about the movement here: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/cgi-bin/webglimpse/rmnews?query=nih%3Baccess&maxlines=0 Several congressmen and senators have gotten behind it. It is very popular with citizens. Picture this: You have cancer, you do a web search to find treatment information, you find some great information that directs you to some recently-published articles, you go to the journal web page to look at those articles and they try to charge you $25 apiece! This makes you angry because the research was paid for by your tax dollars, but now you can't use the results without paying again! This does piss people off and it seems like a good cause for politicians to get behind - helping sick people to get the information they have already paid for. What's not to like? I think that many of the same ideas apply to software. If the NIH or NSF is paying for the code, why should the code be unavailable to citizens and owned by an individual or university? The code should be freely accessible by anyone -- at least by other NIH researchers. It is in everyone's best interest if the code can be enhanced and improved by interested programmers. The GNU GPL is just the sort of thing we need -- it would encourage further development and it would allow us to see exactly what the software is doing for us. It is harder to trust a program when you can't see the code. I think this is worth pursuing. What do you think? If it succeeds, it could be a major boost for the GNU GPL. Even if it fails, if it gives you more opportunity to present your case in the news or to important people (e.g., NIH big wigs or congressmen), it will be worth it. Thanks for reading my message. Regards, Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:34:39 -0500 From: Richard Stallman To: Mike Miller Cc: members-at-mlug.missouri.edu Subject: Re: GNU GPL and NIH/NSF software and publications - a thought My feeling is that both NIH and NSF should require that all software developed partly using their funds be distributed under the GNU GPL. I could support such a campaign. However, could we avoid using terms such as "open" and "closed", as used here? Apparently, the current system allows developers to take NIH or NSF funds and keep the software source closed Using those terms promotes the open source ideas at the expense of the ideas of free software. If I joined in that, I'd be undermining my own primary work. There's no need to do that. I think that many of the same ideas apply to software. If the NIH or NSF is paying for the code, why should the code be unavailable to citizens and owned by an individual or university? This argument, which I agree with, is based on ideas of freedom and justice. It argues that some programs ethically must be free. It heads in the direction of the free software movement, whose basic ideas are a matter of freedom and justice. The open source philosophy was formulated as a reaction against the free software movement. It rejects the idea of looking at the issue as a difference between right and wrong. It claims only that letting users participate in development leads to better software. Those ideas can't support the argument you're trying to make. So would you please help make the free software movement remain visible, and escape from being hidden behind the open source philosophy? Simply using terms "free" and "proprietary", not the other group's "open" and "closed", will help us. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:26:44 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Miller To: Richard Stallman Cc: members-at-mlug.missouri.edu Bcc: mbmiller-at-gmail.com Subject: Re: GNU GPL and NIH/NSF software and publications - a thought On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Richard Stallman wrote: > My feeling is that both NIH and NSF should require that all software > developed partly using their funds be distributed under the GNU GPL. > >I could support such a campaign. However, could we avoid using terms >such as "open" and "closed", as used here? Yes. I'm just learning the terminology -- who developed what, why certain terms are preferred. > I think that many of the same ideas apply to software. If the NIH or NSF > is paying for the code, why should the code be unavailable to citizens > and > owned by an individual or university? > >This argument, which I agree with, is based on ideas of freedom and >justice. It argues that some programs ethically must be free. It heads >in the direction of the free software movement, whose basic ideas are a >matter of freedom and justice. I like your ideas. >So would you please help make the free software movement remain visible, >and escape from being hidden behind the open source philosophy? Simply >using terms "free" and "proprietary", not the other group's "open" and >"closed", will help us. Sure. I'll read your books and papers and those of other people until I understand the various licenses and concepts. I think this stuff is very important and we will all benefit by greater freedom of code. It will take a few weeks before I get through all the reading material! I will also start contacting people at NIH and NSF so that I can find out what their current rules are. It looks like my own Congressman Martin Sabo was behind some of the open access legislation a few years ago, so I'll try to talk to him about it. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:45:16 -0500 From: Richard Stallman To: Mike Miller Subject: Re: GNU GPL and NIH/NSF software and publications - a thought I will also start contacting people at NIH and NSF so that I can find out what their current rules are. It looks like my own Congressman Martin Sabo was behind some of the open access legislation a few years ago, so I'll try to talk to him about it. ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com might be able to offer you good advice about this. -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... ____________________________ NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mbmiller-at-taxa.epi.umn.edu: GNU GPL and NIH/NSF software and publications - a thought 2005-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dice.Com Bullish on Linux Career Prospects 2005-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell announces small-business Linux bundle 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meetings this week 2005-03-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I think we got Manhattan Space for a resonable cost. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Canada - 2005 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] GPL Violation in Emergecore IT in a Box 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all 2005-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA - We don't need no stinken DMCA 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Syrian News 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Continuing bad news on the DRM front 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bridge and Tunnel People 2005-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs 2005-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Minutes - Joann we need them now! 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs 2005-03-19 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department. 2005-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department. 2005-03-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Open Source Business Conference Update: New Keynote Speaker 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] MIT backs Brazil's choice of Linux over Microsoft 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: The New IBM LinuxLine 2005-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Meeting and follow up 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Marriott Meeting Followup - Thank You All! 2005-03-17 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Improving your presentation Skills. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Companies accused of violating the GPL 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [vjs-at-calcite.rhyolite.com: pending license change] 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pending license change 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable 2005-03-16 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable 2005-03-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Knoppix 3.8 and UnionFS. Wow. Just Wow. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Nylxs Marriot Meeting 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Nylxs Marriot Meeting 2005-03-16 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Nylxs Marriot Meeting 2005-03-16 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fw: [Politics] Third-grader commutes to school by mule 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: multiple Mozilla Firefox vulnerabilities (SUSE-SA:2005:016)] 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Distrowatch News 2005-03-15 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora takes off as Red Hat declines 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Solaris 10 Heads for Linux Territory 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE takeover 'pushed customers to Debian' 2005-03-15 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Meeting ACSSLI train sched. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30 2005-03-14 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux a picture of health at CeBIT 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open-Source Software Boon to Oregon Economy 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Freeware version of Windows-to-Linux desktop migration tool now a 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Suse CEO interview 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Mozilla ditches browser suite development 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Adam Kosmin 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Page Joe Grastara 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse CEO interview 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting 2005-03-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Theo de Raadt presented with the 2004 Free Software Award 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0.1 Available for Free Download 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Test 2005-03-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0 2005-03-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 will be shipping mid-April, 2005, 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks 2005-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0 2005-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Filter Twiking 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks 2005-03-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Feature: OpenBSD's "Out of the Box" Wireless Support 2005-03-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-07 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] NASA World Wind 1.3 released - only on W2K/XP platform! 2005-03-07 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLUG down? 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-06 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-06 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [wwwac] origin of software licensing (?) 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG down? 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen 2005-03-04 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: Your showtimes for Loews 34th Street 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM-free online music store. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] DRM-free online music store. 2005-03-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting ---> which is where? 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-03 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Dot mil sites. 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21 st (fwd) 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot mil sites. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cyrus-sasl remote code execution (SUSE-SA:2005:013)] 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suitwatch Linux Journal 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Starting a club at BC (report from the trenches). 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom.. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Baby goes boom? 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting paid for your work... 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sir Bill 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wikipedia NYLXS entry 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sir Bill 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Q&A: Author of Dude, Did I Steal Your Job? sounds off 2005-03-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Email problem. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court 2005-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2nd Annual Brewtopia World Beer Festival (NYC) 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The World is Coming to an End - No kidding 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] HP and HRD - not what you think :) 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Weird Useless News 2005-03-28 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] File Sharing P2P 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] De Montfort University switches to SUSE Linux 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Adobe 7.0 reader for Linux now available 2005-03-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NIH/NSF projects and the GPL 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing P2P 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing Wars 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee 2005-03-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Results 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE 2005-03-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Trill of the Download 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Switch to DSL 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Telephoney in the Times 2005-03-25 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Boggling News from the Scientific Front 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes? 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Programmers bypass Red Hat Linux fees 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source: Free Windows Apps 2005-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] What it's like to run windows 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets] OT: Abbott and Costello, Meet the Cybermen 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting 2005-03-23 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting 2005-03-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes 2005-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes 2005-03-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! 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