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MESSAGE
DATE 2005-02-23
FROM From: "Steve Milo"
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Realizing the meaning of GPL software.

Today I helped a friend in his Intro to C course, he is currently suffering
from a back problem and is going through some personal issues. He asked me to
help him out as much as possible, I had asked him how far along he had gotten
so far. His reply was 'I dont have anything right now', I am always reluctant
to get to involved in something that might turn into me doing 90% of the work.
But I decided to take this on because he is a friend and an all around good
guy. Even though he seems very slow in absorbing C he is very literate, he is
very good at abstract conversation (which is more than I can say for about 90%
of the CompSci students in general if not just at BC). Earlier on I gave him
an overview of how C works in a computing environment and what the relevance
of all the syntax is. That seemed to have helped him along in his learning,
and he was able to finish another homework I had helped him.
Today, however, I did most of the heavy lifting, but talked through how I was
figuring the specifications out. As I typed the code I spoke it outloud and
how it was relevant to the rest of the program. This method helped me get a
better grasp on my technical communication skills. He followed along and
asked questions when it wasnt intrusive but relevant. This is probably what
the buzzword 'Extreme Programming' is supposed to mean.
Throughout this effort he clearly felt guilty that I was doing much of the
work, but considering his condition it was forgivable. My reply was: 'No one
ever picks up this stuff on their own'. I didnt really realize the
significance of what I had said, nor the significance of this excersize until now.

It is true no one ever picks up this stuff on their own, *ever*, there is
always collaboration involved somewhere. The philosophical roots of C are
based on collaboration, the CVS bullshit is just a technical excuse for poor
programming skills and lack of technical talent. I had been taking for
granted the possibility that some of the people in the advanced classes
(despite their inability to communicate clearly) was some kind of inherent
talent. I was completely wrong, I have also realized why it is important to
understand the important fundamentals of programming. Why Java and PHP are
completely worthless excuses for programming langauges. Those 'programming
languages' are not designed to make the lives of programmers easier. They are
designed to cover up the poor skills of supposed programmers who werent
studying when they were supposed to.
I should also mention that we were working under a time constraint. I had
about 4 hours to crank out this code, document it and debug it. I documented
everything as I went along, quite frankly I am still amazed at myself(whether
it is warranted can probably be debated). I finished 90% of the project in
about 2 hours(108 lines of code including documentation, not much by many
standards probably).
Of course this is an Intro to C homework, but the excersize was intellectual.
How to communicate what you are trying to accomplish while thinking through
the problem, so that the person you are helping is atleast gaining some
benefit from it.

Steve M

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  1. 2005-02-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: curl buffer overflow in NTLM authentication (SUSE-SA:2005:011)]
  2. 2005-02-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [will_edit_for_food-at-mac.com: Upcoming FCC ruling]
  3. 2005-02-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Q&A: Author of Dude, Did I Steal Your Job? sounds off
  4. 2005-02-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 89, 28 February 2005
  5. 2005-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Autobiography of the Next President of NYLXS
  6. 2005-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wanted Add - Female replies ONLY
  7. 2005-02-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Wanted Add - Female replies ONLY
  8. 2005-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wanted Add - Female replies ONLY
  9. 2005-02-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movie Tonight?
  10. 2005-02-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Linux LiveCD Roundup
  11. 2005-02-24 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [hangout] Linux LiveCD Roundup
  12. 2005-02-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: REVISED: Upcoming hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (as of 2.24.05).]
  13. 2005-02-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux LiveCD Roundup
  14. 2005-02-24 From: "Victor.Ortega" <Victor.Ortega-Mangan-at-newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: [hangout] Open Invite
  15. 2005-02-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting Cancelled for tonight
  16. 2005-02-24 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Realizing the meaning of GPL software.
  17. 2005-02-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Future of NYC
  18. 2005-02-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Realizing the meaning of GPL software.
  19. 2005-02-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Realizing the meaning of GPL software.
  20. 2005-02-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Realizing the meaning of GPL software.
  21. 2005-02-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: College Board Schools recruiting teachers, guidance counselors, s ocial workers, paraprofessionals and secretaries
  22. 2005-02-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] VectorLinux 5.0 SOHO released (Based on Slackware 10.1)
  23. 2005-02-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dice.Com Says Linux Career Paths Remain Strong
  24. 2005-02-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [Fwd: [hangout] meeting up on the 24th - confirmation!]
  25. 2005-02-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: LinuxWorld Summit New York: Registration is Open! Register to day
  26. 2005-02-22 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> Re: [Fwd: [hangout] meeting up on the 24th - confirmation!]
  27. 2005-02-22 From: "Victor.Ortega" <Victor.Ortega-Mangan-at-newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: [Fwd: [hangout] meeting up on the 24th - confirmation!]
  28. 2005-02-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] VectorLinux 5.0 SOHO released (Based on Slackware 10.1)
  29. 2005-02-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] bash and mail
  30. 2005-02-21 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [hangout] bash and mail
  31. 2005-02-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] bash and mail
  32. 2005-02-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] bash and mail
  33. 2005-02-19 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> Subject: [hangout] Video drivers on suse3.2
  34. 2005-02-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [ashv-at-kingsgames.com: Kings Games]
  35. 2005-02-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] RMS article
  36. 2005-02-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Need a copy of 9.2 both 64 and 32.
  37. 2005-02-18 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] [ashv-at-kingsgames.com: Kings Games]
  38. 2005-02-17 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] recycling and clustering...
  39. 2005-02-17 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] [ashv-at-kingsgames.com: Kings Games]
  40. 2005-02-17 From: "Victor.Ortega" <Victor.Ortega-Mangan-at-newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: [hangout] meeting up on the 24th - confirmation!
  41. 2005-02-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ashv-at-kingsgames.com: Kings Games]
  42. 2005-02-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting up
  43. 2005-02-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting up
  44. 2005-02-17 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> FW: [hangout] meeting up
  45. 2005-02-17 From: "Victor.Ortega" <Victor.Ortega-Mangan-at-newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: [hangout] meeting up
  46. 2005-02-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  47. 2005-02-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  48. 2005-02-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] References and pointers.
  49. 2005-02-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] References and pointers.
  50. 2005-02-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  51. 2005-02-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  52. 2005-02-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  53. 2005-02-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  54. 2005-02-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  55. 2005-02-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  56. 2005-02-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  57. 2005-02-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  58. 2005-02-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  59. 2005-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wblogs are BS
  60. 2005-02-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] FW: Open Circulation Edition Free Internet Voice Calls Firefox
  61. 2005-02-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Tries New Pitch to Curb Linux Use
  62. 2005-02-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] First National Bank of Omaha throws Sun out
  63. 2005-02-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  64. 2005-02-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  65. 2005-02-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  66. 2005-02-14 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  67. 2005-02-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  68. 2005-02-14 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  69. 2005-02-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  70. 2005-02-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Crossfire Client
  71. 2005-02-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Numnut Spammer with an open box at 69.50.209.126
  72. 2005-02-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Numnut Spammer with an open box at 69.50.209.126
  73. 2005-02-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  74. 2005-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  75. 2005-02-13 dspira-at-att.net Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  76. 2005-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  77. 2005-02-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  78. 2005-02-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  79. 2005-02-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  80. 2005-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  81. 2005-02-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  82. 2005-02-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  83. 2005-02-12 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> Subject: [hangout] Could anyone help me find pricing for the offered classes?
  84. 2005-02-12 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  85. 2005-02-12 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  86. 2005-02-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  87. 2005-02-12 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  88. 2005-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  89. 2005-02-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  90. 2005-02-11 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> Subject: [hangout] Monitoring input in simple chat exercise.
  91. 2005-02-11 knodom <knodom-at-shakescene.com> Subject: [hangout] Unheeded Warnings
  92. 2005-02-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Victor.Ortega-Mangan-at-newcastle.ac.uk: hangout]
  93. 2005-02-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Judge slams SCO's lack of evidence against IBM
  94. 2005-02-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Crossfire Server
  95. 2005-02-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Python tight loop causing massive CPU barfage
  96. 2005-02-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  97. 2005-02-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mySQL dB Setup
  98. 2005-02-08 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [hangout] mySQL dB Setup
  99. 2005-02-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware 10.01 Released
  100. 2005-02-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Part I: Corporate Desktop Linux - The Hard Truth
  101. 2005-02-05 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Linux? What? www.linuxgoldcorp.com !!!
  102. 2005-02-02 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> Fw: [hangout] Future might be looking brighter
  103. 2005-02-02 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [TechForum] TechToGo IV]
  104. 2005-02-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Memory management
  105. 2005-02-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Memory management
  106. 2005-02-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Memory management
  107. 2005-02-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Memory management
  108. 2005-02-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Memory management
  109. 2005-02-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Internship.
  110. 2005-02-01 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] move

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