MESSAGE
| DATE | 2004-09-01 |
| FROM | Steve Milo
|
| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Assembly
|
So basically this all means that I am going to have to suck it up and
tough it out. Strangely, the Sun Admins sentiments, when I asked him who
else uses assembly language besides in academia were 'no one'. I said
well what about embedded devices, 'thats all done in C' was his reply.
Some how I find it hard to believe that even though 'C' is the standard
programming language in many things assembly has been forgotten about.
Steve M
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Billy wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 02:31:57PM -0500, Steve Milo wrote:
> >
> > Guys, thanks very much for the help on this.
> >
> > I'm looking at BC's website and there doesnt seem to be any information on
> > late late registration. The phone number for the registrars office is (718)
> > 758-8120. If anything, I think if you have the money CUNY will take it if you
> > arent taking it for credit. This was only the second time the class has met,
> > the next class is in a week. Labor day we will be off, between then and now
> > space may still be available.
> >
> > The 'lab' where I work has TASM on the machines, I can use them in a pinch.
> > As far as waiting for an assembly course that doesnt use TASM or MASM, that
> > will be a long wait. The three OSes they have here are Solaris, OSX and
> > winduz. No one teaches assembly on the Sun machines, I spoke to the Sun
> > admin. He tells me the faculty was interested, including one of their prize
> > best Unix professors (Whitlock). But this was a long time ago and no one has
> > picked up the ball. Nonetheless there could be potential.
>
> Learning 'as' would enable you to program Sparc, PPC, and IA32
> with a uniform syntax, on any OS you want using only free software.
> When you use GDB to debug a program later on in life, you're going
> to be staring at 'as' (AT&T) syntax, so it's really best to learn that!
>
> TASM vs. NASM vs. MASM are all very limited languages in comparison
> with regard to applicability, portability, availability, and utility.
>
> > Also, I think I can mention to the professor about NASM and see what
> > she says. She doesnt seem to be hung up on any particular OS so I
> > dont think I will get into a political discussion with her.
>
> 'as' !!!
>
> > So far the only things she has talked about are mov, four registers (ax, bx,
> > cx, dx), add, sub, int21h, .model, .data and a few other things that I think
> > are fairly generic. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> IA32 register names are assigned by intel and useful for any assembler.
> 'INT 21h' is a DOS-ism. Best avoided.
> '.model' is a 16-bit-ism. Best avoided.
> '.data' is universally useful.
>
> > I have heard she is strict (stronger sentiments have been expressed from
> > lesser people), I would describe her as knowledable. She rattles off assembly
> > like its her own language. She wrote the book we used in Intro to C
> > Programming (1.5).
>
> What book? There are a LOT of crappy books.
>
> Teaching 'INT 21h' in 2004 doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless
> it's for historical interest only.
>
> > My next question is going to be very silly and naive but.
> > Does Linux run in protected mode or real mode?
>
> Protected!
>
> > Strangely I was taught the memory modes a long time ago in High School
> > or Junior High School. But never saw the need to remember it, the
> > importance hasnt been stressed up until now.
>
____________________________
NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
|
|
