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| DATE | 2004-09-04 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
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> > For gods sake, it might even be worse than this. It might spin
> > processes without geninue permisions AND throw programs up from the
> > MSFT as threads of ACCESS and Excell!!!
>
> You lost me.
What happens when you run 2 programs which use the Access hooks for the
MSFC
You don't get a new process. They thread off one process. When you write a C
program in Windows, where is the main statement. Why do the memory
blocks have to be locked down. Why is there no fork() but evexec or some
nonsense like that?
>
> > God oh mighty. What a freaken mess the internals of the MS Windows OS is!
>
> *IS* or *MIGHT BE*... You're playing Chicken Little here. Just stop FUDding!
>
> You haven't substantiated this statement with any facts at all.
>
> Adam is right.. The real issue is liberty.
>
Adams statement is only ancillary to this discussion. The GNU systems
***Are More Secure*** by design.
> > In regard to the permissions issues as well, IE has direct access and
> > permision to run ANYTHING in windows.
>
> Total horsepucky! Knock it off!
I wish I was the fud master your claiming. I'm 100% for FUD against Microsoft
products. Meanwhile, I stand by that statement.
Show me the NT kernel? Where is permissions information attached to the
running processes? WHo is the user that owns IIS? Exchange?
>
> > They've done programatic things in IE to
> > cover up one exposure at a time. But the IE program, as a fundemental
> > and purposeful aspect of its design, thorugh activeX and VB Scripting, is
> > a Virus and Worm Net exploited by ever damn adware maker on the market.
>
> We're not talking about web browsers. We're talking about Operating Systems.
Hey - IE is intregrated into the Windows OS. It's core to the OS. Just ask
them....
And it doesn't matter. All Windows applications have access to EVERYTHING.
And IE has a built in widget set to pull all the triggers called Active X
Ruben
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