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| DATE | 2004-09-04 |
| FROM | Billy
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
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On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:27:44PM -0400, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
> >
> > Wow, you're wrong! What a surprise!
> >
> > http://www.dadadada.net/XPprocesses.png
> >
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> Yeah that's nonsense. Those identity tags aren't recognized by the
> OS for anything except for user applications, like the Domain Authenticator.
> It's just a slap onto the security applications in user space. It's not a
> kernal assignement, because there is no kernel, at least not as it is
> understood by the rest of the computing world.
Ruben, you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what you're talking about.
> Make IE root only to use. chroot the networking DLLs.
What would that buy me?
> Are you telimg me you can't write a program right now which opens
> port 25 and bombard the network?
You can do this on any machine with an inet stack.
Don't be ridiculous.
> Can you do that with GNU software without running as root?
You're talking about Linux here? Linux isn't GNU. HURD is.
Maybe you're talking about HURD... BE CLEAR!
I'll assume you're talking about needing to have ROOT access to listen
on port 25, this is a WEAKNESS of Unix security. This action should
require 'port 25 opener' access, not 'God' access.
> When you load a program up in Windows, can it run as Nobody, nogroup?
Yes, and you can actually do many more interesting things besides.
> Or is it stuck running only as you?
You can set a program to run as another user.
Why don't you look into it a bit before challenging me?
It's a lot easier to spout bullshit than to actually learn
about it, I guess. But learning is how we grow...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/secauthz/security/access_control.asp
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