MESSAGE
| DATE | 2004-09-04 |
| FROM | From: "Steve Milo"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
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But spending money on microsoft products is ok because you cant get them for free?
Steve M
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:55:19 -0400, Billy wrote
> On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:06:02PM -0400, Ruben Safir Secretary
> NYLXS wrote:
> > >
> > > > For gods sake, it might even be worse than this. It might spin
> > > > processes without geninue permisions AND throw programs up from the
> > > > MSFT as threads of ACCESS and Excell!!!
> > >
> >
> >
> > > You lost me.
> >
> > What happens when you run 2 programs which use the Access hooks for the
> > MSFC
> >
> > You don't get a new process. They thread off one process.
>
> No, you get a new process.... Stop repeating yourself.
>
> > When you write a C program in Windows, where is the main statement.
>
> What's the difference what the entry point is called?
>
> > Why do the memory blocks have to be locked down.
>
> What's your objection to this?
>
> > Why is there no
> > fork() but evexec or some nonsense like that?
>
> There's CreateProcess(). There is no fork. I don't know what your
>
> > > > God oh mighty. What a freaken mess the internals of the MS Windows OS is!
> > >
> > > *IS* or *MIGHT BE*... You're playing Chicken Little here. Just stop
FUDding!
> > >
> > > You haven't substantiated this statement with any facts at all.
> > >
> > > Adam is right.. The real issue is liberty.
> >
> > Adams statement is only ancillary to this discussion. The GNU systems
> > ***Are More Secure*** by design.
>
> Perhaps on an apps integration level, but not in the kernel.
>
> > > > In regard to the permissions issues as well, IE has direct access and
> > > > permision to run ANYTHING in windows.
> > >
> > > Total horsepucky! Knock it off!
> >
> > I wish I was the fud master your claiming. I'm 100% for FUD against
> > Microsoft products. Meanwhile, I stand by that statement.
>
> You have to beat them without FUD.. FUD will blowback at you, and
> you'll lose credibility and ultimately lose the war.
>
> > Show me the NT kernel?
>
> Read this article and tell me that NT doesn't have a kernel...
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dndllpro/html/msdn_realtime.asp
>
> > Where is permissions information attached to the
> > running processes?
>
> I don't know exactly.
>
> > WHo is the user that owns IIS? Exchange?
>
> I don't know.. I never ran IIS.
>
> > > > They've done programatic things in IE to
> > > > cover up one exposure at a time. But the IE program, as a fundemental
> > > > and purposeful aspect of its design, thorugh activeX and VB Scripting, is
> > > > a Virus and Worm Net exploited by ever damn adware maker on the market.
> > >
> > > We're not talking about web browsers. We're talking about Operating
Systems.
> >
> > Hey - IE is intregrated into the Windows OS. It's core to the OS. Just ask
> > them....
>
> Ask Ed Felten.
>
> > And it doesn't matter.
>
> > All Windows applications have access to EVERYTHING.
>
> Utter nonsense!
>
> > And IE has a built in widget set to pull all the triggers called Active X
>
> So what? Do you need ActiveX for anything?
>
> The only thing I've ever been tempted to use ActiveX for was:
>
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