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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-06-17
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Free Software Publishing

Once upon a time, publishing was the domain of large corporations. Then
came desktop publishing and the tools to produce a book shrank from the
cost of an aircraft carrier to the price tag of a PT boat. Now, small
publishers on the bleeding edge of technology are fomenting a revolution
that may change the publishing market forever. Open source publishing
tools, long derided as not being ready for battle, are proving
themselves in the trenches of small publishing.

If
you walked into a production lab of just about any small- to
medium-sized publisher, you'd find pretty much the same tools: Photoshop
for raster graphics; Illustrator, Freehand, and Corel Draw for vector
graphics; InDesign and Xpress for page layout; and Acrobat for creating
camera-ready output. Together these programs cost well over a thousand
dollars, and any publisher who wants to play has to pony up. The book
buyer pays at the point of sale.

What makes book production expensive isn't just the cost of software.
Proprietary publishing tools run on proprietary operating systems -- Mac
OS and Windows. They require high-powered hardware. They might even have
intrusive product activation "features" or draconian licensing
restrictions. In short, publishing is like most other markets -- it's
very close to a D-Day invasion by open source forces.

Linux lubbers

John Bartlett owns and operates Bartlett Publishing, which puts out
approximately four titles per year in programming, business, and ...
religion. Huh? Those don't go together, do they? This is the strength of
small publishing, to bring together the disparate genres that make up a
particular publisher's passion.

Bartlett is a true believer, in God and Linux. He chose open source
tools because he "believes in free information." He uses the DocBook
DTD, running the manuscript through OpenJade with a heavily customized
version of Norman Walsh's stylesheets. "Using OpenJade and Norman
Walsh's stylesheets to typeset gives me a huge advantage in both costs
to produce a book and time to market. In particular, with DocBook, an
index is amazingly easy to produce," says Bartlett. Post-processing of
the PDF is done with Perl's Text::PDF module and Adobe Acrobat for
complex work. A professional graphic artist produces the cover and
Bartlett does post-processing with the GIMP. Finally he uploads the
finished materials to CafePress or LightningSource.

Bartlett's recommendation of the open source tools he uses is
unequivocating. "DocBook makes your book look professional with very
little effort. The combination of DocBook and a good cover artist gives
you very professional results with a minimum of time and money."

John Cullenton of Able Typesetters and Indexers provides services for
small- and self-publishers with a completely Linux-based workflow using
variants of TeX. First, he keys in and corrects the source text in Gvim.
Cullenton compiles the text to PDF with ConTeXt or pdfTeX and views the
output in Xpdf. He also uses various other bits and pieces: grep; the
Ghostscript ps2ascii translator; pfaedit (FontForge); PSUtils for
brochures, makeindex for indices, and some custom macros and scripts. He
does image processing in the GIMP and has recently begun using Scribus
for book covers because it can handle < a
href="http://www.color.org/">ICC profiles and produce CMYK output.

Cullenton makes two points about the strengths of open source software.
First, "All of these tools are supported by active email lists. I don't
have to call an underpaid clerk.... I get superior support from users
and maintainers of the software." (Ask any XPress user about Quark's
customer support. It's infamous.) Second, when Donald Knuth backed away
from TeX, others picked up the torch. Development continued and TeX is
still going strong. Meanwhile, in the proprietary world, PageMaker is
dying a slow and painful death and is no longer the behemoth of book
production; FrameMaker has been losing ground as well. Adobe now pushes
InDesign. QuarkXpress went years between updates on the Mac, still the
dominant desktop publishing platform. With proprietary software,
Cullenton says, "[You] face the potential discontinuance of the product,
just like users of the once excellent WordPerfect have found their own
purgatory -- the Curse of Corel."

Mac-o-philes

The work flow is a bit rougher in the Mac world. Mac-based senior editor
Kevin Walzer of WordTech Communications LLC produces 50 poetry and
literary criticism books each year. In the recent past, WordTech used
all proprietary software for its workflow. But Microsoft Word is giving
way to OpenOffice.org and LaTeX. They're replacing InDesign with
Scribus, and Corel PhotoPaint with the GIMP.

Most of the open source offerings are not Aqua-based, but run under
Fink. "The Fink packagers and Apple have done a brilliant job in
bringing this software over to OS X," says Walzer. "But it seems to run
a bit more slowly and certainly doesn't integrate as cleanly into the
Aqua environment as native software.... We see a huge difference in the
interface between Microsoft Word for OS X and OpenOffice.org that isn't
there on Windows."

But in general, Walzer is satisfied with his open source tools. "Scribus
was a bit rough when we first used it for cover layout but ... version
1.1.6 supports color mixing, better text editing," says Walzer. "Gimp
has proven to be a very able tool. We're still using Word for most of
our manuscript formatting. We are planning to experiment with
OpenOffice.org and AbiWord (now in a native OS X-Cocoa build) and see if
these are compatible or offer improvements." LaTeX is a powerful tool
but has a very steep learning curve, and thus WordTech is moving slowly
on that front. Vector graphics are a more of a challenge; WordTech
hasn't found any of the open source vector-editing programs, such as
SodiPodi, to be equivalent in power to Corel Draw. "We are still using
CD for vector art development."

Windows on open source publishing

Many of the same open source tools that run on Linux have been ported to
Windows. Whil Hentzen of Hentzenwerke Publishing Inc. runs a
cross-platform shop. About two-thirds of his mostly freelance staff is
on Windows, and the other third is on Linux. "We start in Word 97 or
OpenOffice.org, whichever the author or editor is comfortable with,"
says Hentzen. "We have fairly unsophisticated needs -- text, figures, a
few tables. The neat thing is that it's transparent. I was using Word on
Windows and then OpenOffice.org on Linux. No one knew I'd changed.
OpenOffice.org plays well with others."

PDFs created in OpenOffice.org go straight to Hentzenwerke's offset
printer and right into their machines. Once the printer figured out
exactly the right settings, it was less work than when Hentzenwerke used
Adobe Acrobat and Distiller. Perhaps the best aspect? Hentzen doesn't
need heavy duty hardware, "Our computers were getting creaky running the
Windows stuff. They run the Linux programs just fine."

The future

It is harder than ever to "get published" by the big guys in New York.
There are now only five big publishing conglomerates increasingly
focused on double-digit profits in a shrinking market. Big New York
Publishers (BNYPs) no longer put out books because they are good, or
important, or of lasting literary value. BNYPs see, at most, 35% of the
cover price of any given book and about half of that goes to printing
costs. They want -- and can afford -- only blockbusters.

Anything that brings down the cost of production makes it possible for
large publishers to take a few more chances on a few more books. Open
source tools mean more opportunity for authors of all stripes. Open
source tools lower the barriers to entry. More self-publishers and more
small publishers in business -- and profitable because of lower costs --
widens the market for books of all kinds. This is an increase to freedom
of expression across the board. Instead of just the same old same old
King, Jordan, and Roberts, new voices get heard.

If you like to write -- or read -- that is very exciting.
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  2. 2004-06-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux 2.2 CD
  3. 2004-06-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NY Times Article on DRM - Follow Up
  4. 2004-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Times Article on DRM - Follow Up
  5. 2004-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Times Article on DRM
  6. 2004-06-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] YellowDog 3.0.1
  7. 2004-06-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] YellowDog 3.0.1
  8. 2004-06-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] YellowDog 3.0.1
  9. 2004-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] YellowDog 3.0.1
  10. 2004-06-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Use of Linux Grows in Public Sector
  11. 2004-06-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Evan's Summer 2004 NYLXS Calendar (June, July, August 2004)
  12. 2004-06-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] gnu linux1 material
  13. 2004-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [ecorrado-at-athena.rider.edu: Re: Linix Users Group/In Princeton]
  14. 2004-06-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] latest version of GNU/Linux 1
  15. 2004-06-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [ecorrado-at-athena.rider.edu: Re: Linix Users Group/In Princeton]
  16. 2004-06-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Evan's NYLXS Calendar - June, July, August 28, 2004
  17. 2004-06-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Software freedom Day
  18. 2004-06-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [ecorrado-at-athena.rider.edu: Re: Linix Users Group/In Princeton]
  19. 2004-06-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] [ecorrado-at-athena.rider.edu: Re: Linix Users Group/In Princeton]
  20. 2004-06-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] latest version of GNU/Linux 1
  21. 2004-06-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] gnu linux1 material
  22. 2004-06-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ecorrado-at-athena.rider.edu: Re: Linix Users Group/In Princeton]
  23. 2004-06-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] gnu linux1 material
  24. 2004-06-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SFD papers
  25. 2004-06-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] SFD papers
  26. 2004-06-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Minutes from NYLXS Meeting Thurs, June 10, 2004
  27. 2004-06-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Evan's NYLXS Calendar - June, July, August 28, 2004
  28. 2004-06-14 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Software freedom Day
  29. 2004-06-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note to Peter Seigel
  30. 2004-06-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Software freedom Day
  31. 2004-06-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Software freedom Day
  32. 2004-06-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Note to Peter Seigel
  33. 2004-06-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Evan's NYLXS Calendar - June, July, August 28, 2004
  34. 2004-06-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  35. 2004-06-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Software freedom Day
  36. 2004-06-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software freedom Day
  37. 2004-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Minutes from NYLXS Meeting Thurs, June 10,
  38. 2004-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Minutes from NYLXS Meeting Thurs, June 10,
  39. 2004-06-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS 2004 Membership Dues
  40. 2004-06-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Minutes from NYLXS Meeting Thurs, June 10, 2004
  41. 2004-06-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] console based calendar
  42. 2004-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Superman Videos
  43. 2004-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Superman Videos
  44. 2004-06-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: The proper MSFT security procedure?] (fwd)
  45. 2004-06-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: The proper MSFT security procedure?] (fwd)
  46. 2004-06-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: The proper MSFT security procedure?] (fwd)
  47. 2004-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  48. 2004-06-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  49. 2004-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for June 11, 2004 [reply-ad83-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com]
  50. 2004-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNU Common C++ 1.2.0 and the patented todo tatoo... [dyfet-at-ostel.com]
  51. 2004-06-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I'll be at the meeting tonight
  52. 2004-06-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  53. 2004-06-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  54. 2004-06-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  55. 2004-06-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  56. 2004-06-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  57. 2004-06-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  58. 2004-06-11 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] FYI: SoftwareFreedomDay.org
  59. 2004-06-11 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS website.
  60. 2004-06-11 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS website.
  61. 2004-06-11 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  62. 2004-06-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  63. 2004-06-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  64. 2004-06-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] LAMP - CGI - Mod_Perl Web Developer (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  65. 2004-06-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] God Bless America.
  66. 2004-06-10 Derrick Lewis <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Re: [hangout] Firm commitment to Princeton?
  67. 2004-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: More from "News"day
  68. 2004-06-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  69. 2004-06-10 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  70. 2004-06-09 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting Announcement / Thurs, June 10,
  71. 2004-06-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting Announcement / Thurs, June 10, 2004 7
  72. 2004-06-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] more from alt.sports.basebase.ny-mets: Michael Moore
  73. 2004-06-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting Announcement / Thurs, June 10, 2004 7:00pm - 11:00p m
  74. 2004-06-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Chaverware
  75. 2004-06-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Chaverware
  76. 2004-06-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] P2P loses in Europe
  77. 2004-06-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Chaverware
  78. 2004-06-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Chaverware
  79. 2004-06-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Chaverware
  80. 2004-06-09 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Chaverware
  81. 2004-06-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Chaverware
  82. 2004-06-09 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P loses in Europe
  83. 2004-06-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Old New I just want to get in the archives
  84. 2004-06-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: REVISED: Upcoming hearings/events from the Committee on Technology in Government, New York City Council as of JUNE 8, 2004.]
  85. 2004-06-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Source : OpenBSD revisited
  86. 2004-06-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Source : OpenBSD revisited
  87. 2004-06-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The gift economy and free software
  88. 2004-06-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 'Open-source' Solaris draws lukewarm response
  89. 2004-06-07 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] CPU-based security for Windows XP, Red Hat Linux coming
  90. 2004-06-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] CPU-based security for Windows XP, Red Hat Linux coming
  91. 2004-06-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Required Perl Expert (onsite), United States, Delaware, Newark [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  92. 2004-06-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] More Cool People Needed (onsite), United States, MA, Waltham [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  93. 2004-06-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CPU-based security for Windows XP, Red Hat Linux coming
  94. 2004-06-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CPU-based security for Windows XP, Red Hat Linux coming
  95. 2004-06-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] CPU-based security for Windows XP, Red Hat Linux coming
  96. 2004-06-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs Jobs
  97. 2004-06-07 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting Announcement / Thurs, June 10, 2004 7
  98. 2004-06-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting Announcement / Thurs, June 10, 2004 7:00pm - 11:00p m
  99. 2004-06-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Free Expo Pass for LinuxWorld, the industry's leading event
  100. 2004-06-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  101. 2004-06-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  102. 2004-06-07 Walt Costanza <wjc-at-retsambew.com> Re: [hangout] Free Driers from Wifi cards?
  103. 2004-06-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Driers from Wifi cards?
  104. 2004-06-07 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] reposting
  105. 2004-06-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] LAMP / CGI / mod_perl expert (telecommute), United States, n/a, n/a [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  106. 2004-06-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite
  107. 2004-06-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] How NOT to lodge a compalint
  108. 2004-06-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Upcoming hearings/events from the Committee on Technology in Government, New York City Council as of JUNE 6, 2004. [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us]
  109. 2004-06-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] And other interesting places ....
  110. 2004-06-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Good place to send a spare $20
  111. 2004-06-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Old New I just want to get in the archives
  112. 2004-06-06 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Old New I just want to get in the archives
  113. 2004-06-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Old New I just want to get in the archives
  114. 2004-06-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  115. 2004-06-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft Patents
  116. 2004-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Patents
  117. 2004-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun releasing code
  118. 2004-06-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Free Driers from Wifi cards?
  119. 2004-06-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  120. 2004-06-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Driers from Wifi cards?
  121. 2004-06-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Free Driers from Wifi cards?
  122. 2004-06-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  123. 2004-06-04 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  124. 2004-06-04 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] SUSe 8.2 with D-Link AirXpert DWL-AG650
  125. 2004-06-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  126. 2004-06-04 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Re: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  127. 2004-06-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  128. 2004-06-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  129. 2004-06-04 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  130. 2004-06-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SUSe 8.2 with D-Link AirXpert DWL-AG650
  131. 2004-06-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Mason Web software developer (onsite), United States, NY, Park Slope, Brooklyn]
  132. 2004-06-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Driers from Wifi cards?
  133. 2004-06-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  134. 2004-06-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] New Event for NYLXS Membership
  135. 2004-06-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Starting Over in 2004
  136. 2004-06-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: FW: [hangout] New Event for NYLXS Membership
  137. 2004-06-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] New Event for NYLXS Membership
  138. 2004-06-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> FW: [hangout] New Event for NYLXS Membership
  139. 2004-06-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] my toshiba drive
  140. 2004-06-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive
  141. 2004-06-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] my toshiba drive
  142. 2004-06-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Linux Grows in Popularity
  143. 2004-06-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter -- June 2 [html-at-ssc.com]
  144. 2004-06-02 Walt Costanza <wjc-at-retsambew.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive
  145. 2004-06-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun's Java Desktop System 2 is No Improvement
  146. 2004-06-02 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Weird Software License
  147. 2004-06-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] my toshiba drive
  148. 2004-06-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Weird Software License
  149. 2004-06-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive
  150. 2004-06-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] my toshiba drive
  151. 2004-06-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  152. 2004-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> RE: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  153. 2004-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  154. 2004-06-30 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  155. 2004-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] AMERICAN KIDS LOSING EDUCATION BATTLE
  156. 2004-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] AMERICAN KIDS LOSING EDUCATION BATTLE
  157. 2004-06-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  158. 2004-06-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  159. 2004-06-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  160. 2004-06-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  161. 2004-06-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  162. 2004-06-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  163. 2004-06-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  164. 2004-06-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  165. 2004-06-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  166. 2004-06-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  167. 2004-06-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  168. 2004-06-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  169. 2004-06-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  170. 2004-06-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Linux Software Engineer (onsite), United States, NJ, Somerset [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  171. 2004-06-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] AMERICAN KIDS LOSING EDUCATION BATTLE
  172. 2004-06-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] AMERICAN KIDS LOSING EDUCATION BATTLE
  173. 2004-06-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] AMERICAN KIDS LOSING EDUCATION BATTLE
  174. 2004-06-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] AMERICAN KIDS LOSING EDUCATION BATTLE
  175. 2004-06-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] AMERICAN KIDS LOSING EDUCATION BATTLE
  176. 2004-06-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] German Government Desktop Unveiled
  177. 2004-06-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] German Government Desktop Unveiled
  178. 2004-06-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] debian-installer
  179. 2004-06-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] debian-installer
  180. 2004-06-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bar Mitzva times and places
  181. 2004-06-29 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] debian-installer
  182. 2004-06-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux job for Lucas Films -
  183. 2004-06-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP Installer Kit for Linux
  184. 2004-06-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Movie
  185. 2004-06-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Planning Meeting Tues June 29, 2004
  186. 2004-06-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Planning Meeting Tues June 29, 2004
  187. 2004-06-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Movie
  188. 2004-06-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Installer Kit for Linux
  189. 2004-06-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP rolls out new desktop, workstations
  190. 2004-06-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] So yah want to see a ballgame from MLB?
  191. 2004-06-28 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] So yah want to see a ballgame from MLB?
  192. 2004-06-28 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 2 D
  193. 2004-06-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 2 D ays
  194. 2004-06-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 2 Days and counti ng
  195. 2004-06-28 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) [alois-at-astro.ch: Re: Redhat support experience]
  196. 2004-06-28 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Bar Mitzvah
  197. 2004-06-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 2 Days and counti ng
  198. 2004-06-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS - Security built inside:
  199. 2004-06-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Grep
  200. 2004-06-27 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So yah want to see a ballgame from MLB?
  201. 2004-06-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Bar Mitzva
  202. 2004-06-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] next weekend
  203. 2004-06-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bar Mitzva
  204. 2004-06-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mac OS X security myth exposed
  205. 2004-06-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] JPEG Legal Battle
  206. 2004-06-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Test
  207. 2004-06-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Test
  208. 2004-06-25 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: RHCA
  209. 2004-06-25 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] toshiba drive
  210. 2004-06-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Mac OS X security myth exposed
  211. 2004-06-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyright wars on again
  212. 2004-06-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Jihad
  213. 2004-06-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tony Wiener - Eat your heart out - GNU/Linux in government
  214. 2004-06-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Retailer opens in Canada
  215. 2004-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Freedom-IT Planning Meeting Tues June 29, 2004
  216. 2004-06-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] RE: Freedom-IT Planning Meeting Tues June 29, 2004
  217. 2004-06-24 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: A LITTLE QUOTE FROM MY SISTER (REGARDING THE BUSH ADMINISTRAT
  218. 2004-06-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] JPEG Legal Battle
  219. 2004-06-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Employment HTML Developer
  220. 2004-06-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 8 D ays
  221. 2004-06-24 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: Freedom-IT Planning Meeting Tues June 29, 2004
  222. 2004-06-24 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 8 D
  223. 2004-06-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware 10 is released!
  224. 2004-06-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Planning Meeting Tues June 29, 2004
  225. 2004-06-23 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> RE: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 8 D ays and counti ng
  226. 2004-06-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 8 D ays
  227. 2004-06-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 8 Days and counti ng
  228. 2004-06-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Software Engineer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  229. 2004-06-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Programmer, United States, CT, Stamford [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  230. 2004-06-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations - 8 Days and counti ng
  231. 2004-06-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational Initiative - June 24, 2004 6:45pm
  232. 2004-06-22 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Large Plans for Linux at Marist College
  233. 2004-06-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] infringement Festival - the LINUX of theatre
  234. 2004-06-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Linux: Sun Shines
  235. 2004-06-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Team page on SoftwareFreedomDay.org
  236. 2004-06-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Team page on SoftwareFreedomDay.org
  237. 2004-06-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] distro investigation for upcoming technight
  238. 2004-06-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse 9.1 Personal ISOs are available online...
  239. 2004-06-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FAT Patent Review May Threaten Linux Foundation
  240. 2004-06-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night - Paul Robert
  241. 2004-06-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: your mail
  242. 2004-06-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Music DRM
  243. 2004-06-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: your mail
  244. 2004-06-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: your mail
  245. 2004-06-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com>
  246. 2004-06-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational Resource for Educational IT
  247. 2004-06-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Video Clip Presentations
  248. 2004-06-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Ontario's school system gives StarOffice a shot
  249. 2004-06-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] maildir to cyrus
  250. 2004-06-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting together PDF files
  251. 2004-06-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Gene Wilder once said it best
  252. 2004-06-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Calander:
  253. 2004-06-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In Service Program
  254. 2004-06-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Publishing
  255. 2004-06-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Publisher Partnership Invitation
  256. 2004-06-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Gene Wilder once said it best
  257. 2004-06-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] U.S. House subcommittee approves spyware bill
  258. 2004-06-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Gene Wilder once said it best
  259. 2004-06-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Gene Wilder once said it best
  260. 2004-06-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gene Wilder once said it best
  261. 2004-06-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: kernel (SuSE-SA:2004:017)]
  262. 2004-06-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] Discontinued SUSE Linux Distributions]
  263. 2004-06-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] YDL progress (or lack thereof).
  264. 2004-06-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Articles on gconf and Sun Business start with FS
  265. 2004-06-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] YDL progress (or lack thereof).
  266. 2004-06-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] YDL progress (or lack thereof).
  267. 2004-06-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] YDL progress (or lack thereof).
  268. 2004-06-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] YDL progress (or lack thereof).
  269. 2004-06-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] YDL progress (or lack thereof).
  270. 2004-06-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] YDL progress (or lack thereof).
  271. 2004-06-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com>
  272. 2004-06-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com>
  273. 2004-06-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] YDL progress (or lack thereof).

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