MESSAGE
| DATE | 2004-03-02 |
| FROM | Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting
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Who can go on Sundays?
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Ruben I Safir wrote:
>
> Thanks Adam
>
> I think we might meet and dicusss issue. I personal don't think that
> dropping out is an issue. However, what were they down to, 9 PEOPLE.
> Now is problibly the time to start getting more people of a like mind as us
> at Orgcom. Why not 2 people from Windows Refund, 2 from the FSF, two
> from NYACSH, 2 from the FSCC, 2 from the FSF ....
>
> Ruben
>
>
> On 2004.02.29 19:54 Adam Kosmin wrote:
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > As most of you know, I had the pleasure of representing NYLXS during
> > this afternoon's Orgcom meeting. First off, I would like to thank NYLXS
> > for giving me the chance to represent our organization and I would like
> > to add that I will be happy to repeat this representation in the future
> > should it be warranted.
> >
> > Over the course of several hours, I took part in many discussions and
> > debates, voted on various issues, and even nominated a potential name
> > for the organization's planned Expo event. As a result, I feel I have
> > learned a great deal about Orgcom which I probably would have missed if
> > I were reading the mailing list alone. In light of this understanding, I
> > am prepared to offer my recommendation as to how NYLXS should handle the
> > matter of Orgcom and hope to formally address this recommendation at the
> > next board meeting.
> >
> > Before I begin, I would like to make one thing perfectly clear. You will
> > not see me name individuals who opposed the views (either via vote or in
> > debate) that I represented on behalf of NYLXS. Rather, I will address
> > Orgcom as the very entity it strives to become. Going forward, I hope we
> > will adopt this approach in an effort to minimize the unneeded drama and
> > emotion which usually results from such "finger pointing" should we
> > continue to explore this relationship.
> >
> > It is my opinion that Orgcom is not quite ready for NYLXS endorsement
> > for the following reasons:
> >
> > 1. The group is suffering an identity crisis. While a considerable
> > portion of the group's members are trying to build a platform to be used
> > for the purpose of advancing the Free Software movement, others appear
> > to have all together different agendas ranging from more "market
> > friendly" Open Source advocacy to a freedom-agnostic approach to a
> > technology expo. This lack of concise agreement became most obvious to
> > me when I listened to arguments suggesting that the word "Free" is a bad
> > word that should be avoided when constructing the group's mission
> > statement name for the planned expo. To summarize, I was left with an
> > impression of a rock band composed of talented musicians, who's fate
> > would be to eventually break up due to "musical differences".
> >
> > 2. Orgcom has decided that 2 mailing lists will be maintained in order
> > to facilitate communication going forward. The first of these will be
> > used by the public and its archives will be world-readable. The second
> > will be writable by only Orgcom representatives and its archives will be
> > closed. For the record, I do not have overwhelmingly strong feelings on
> > this but did vote that the second list's archives be world readable. I
> > voted in this direction for two reasons: First, I was acting on behalf
> > of NYLXS stated opinion on this issue and secondly, because my gut
> > instinct tells me that openness is simply the more honorable of the two
> > approaches since it creates accountability.
> >
> > Assuming for a moment that the board members of NYLXS will agree with my
> > recommendation, I believe that we should send a simple and polite letter
> > to Orgcom which explains our stance and communicates our unwillingness
> > to support the group's activities at this time. Care should be taken in
> > the wording of this letter so that no bridges are burned since we may
> > decide at a later time to seek participation should we either see
> > sufficient progress made in these areas, or change our organization's
> > views.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Adam Kosmin
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
> > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
> > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
> > it is."
> >
> > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
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